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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 12, 2018 13:57:46 GMT -6
I'm all in for #309 North Carolina Central to win the tourney. They are the lowest rated team to get in for several years. Usually the worst team is around 200-250. NC Central is from the godawful MEAC, which boasts five of the worst eleven teams in the country.
NCCU will top TCU in the final when Bane is called away to rescue a busload of orphans teetering on the edge of a cliff.
Go Eagles!
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 12, 2018 14:00:37 GMT -6
Why is Toledo staying home? No. 1 seed in west. 23-11. No MAC team in NIT - what the hell! This astounds me, anybody else? I may totally dislike UT, but seems they got screwed (the MAC got screwed). Toledo isn't in the top 100 in most rankings (#119 in KenPom) so I don't think you can say they got screwed. I'm sure they would like to think MAC #2 would get into the NIT, but realistically this is no surprise. Given that 11 spots in the NIT were auto-qualifiers who won their conference but not their conference tourney, and another 7-ish were the teams that felt snubbed by the NCAA tourney, there really were only like 14 or so NIT bids in question, the worst team receiving a bid was ranked #98. According to KenPom, 23 other teams should've gotten NIT invites (but didn't) before Toledo would have.... Like BSU, Toledo opted not to participate in CBI/CIT, thus their season is over. Meanwhile on another note, the MAC records the first postseason win of 2018 as Central Michigan wins a noon game at Fort Wayne 94-89. Yep. You can get an at large NIT if you win the regular season MAC and then fail in the tournament. Our best bet was to see Buffalo win regular season and be upset. Toledo had a better chance to be in the NCAA than the NIT. We might have had a slim chance at that if we had somehow won that early game at home against Buffalo. I don't see an NIT at large bid going to anyone not in the top 60-80. True that is a possibility but not this year. The MAC is unlikely to get two NCAA bids, pretty unlikely to get better than one in the NIT.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 12, 2018 14:05:29 GMT -6
The Mac was 3 tournament wins in the last 14 years all coming from Ohio
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 12, 2018 14:57:54 GMT -6
The Mac was 3 tournament wins in the last 14 years all coming from Ohio 1999-2003, the previous 14 years, were better for the MAC and better for BSU, which is what establishes everyone's expectation we go to the dance every 4 or 5 years. And make people want to talk about making noise in the NCAA. But, the changes in college basketball have made it hard for any mid major to duplicate the tournament run for any MAC team. Conference reallocation elsewhere while we stand pat in the MAC and probably our being a football conference hurts. Recruiting competition has increased and finding hidden gems is harder, TV attention for the big conferences is increased, the financial incentives have grown to give the marginal big schools even more incentive to spend on basketball and win. Like football the rich get richer. It has reduced the MAC to a one bid conference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 14:59:29 GMT -6
" I know you don't want to admit RPI is biased in favor of SOS" I quit reading right there, I have no idea why you believe I am some sort of RPI Nazi. You are impossible to have any sort of logical discussion with as you insist on mischaracterizing what everyone says.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 12, 2018 15:07:49 GMT -6
The Mac was 3 tournament wins in the last 14 years all coming from Ohio 1999-2003, the previous 14 years, were better for the MAC and better for BSU, which is what establishes everyone's expectation we go to the dance every 4 or 5 years. And make people want to talk about making noise in the NCAA. But, the changes in college basketball have made it hard for any mid major to duplicate the tournament run for any MAC team. Conference reallocation elsewhere while we stand pat in the MAC and probably our being a football conference hurts. Recruiting competition has increased and finding hidden gems is harder, TV attention for the big conferences is increased, the financial incentives have grown to give the marginal big schools even more incentive to spend on basketball and win. Like football the rich get richer. It has reduced the MAC to a one bid conference. Im sure it was better but anything that happened over 15 years ago even 10 is pretty Irrelevant
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 15:17:14 GMT -6
The Mac was 3 tournament wins in the last 14 years all coming from Ohio But, the changes in college basketball have made it hard for any mid major to duplicate the tournament run for any MAC team. Sort of glad I have no idea what that sentence is supposed to mean. I feel I would probably find it preposterous. There are six mid-majors in today's Top 25, so don't feed us this crap about how it's getting harder. I particularly love this sentence : " Recruiting competition has increased and finding hidden gems is harder," Well someone is fucking finding "hidden gems" because the mid-majors are stocked full of them. AAU summer ball has been a boon for mid-majors.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Mar 12, 2018 17:04:34 GMT -6
If anything, I think finding hidden gems should be easier. This isn't 1985 where your only chance to see one is to drive down snow-covered Indiana backroads on a night your team isn't playing or traveling.
Program-changing players are out there; you just have to know where to look, how to appeal to them and what you're looking for. Our coach doesn't check any of those boxes.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 12, 2018 17:15:36 GMT -6
I don't see any MAC teams in the top 25?
Does it really make sense to call Big East teams mid majors? Gonzaga?
Sure, just like the MAC. But, OK.
Let's ask this. Can a typical mid major really expect similar results by scheduling outside their conference?
Or recruit with them?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 17:52:18 GMT -6
If Toledo had upset UB, Toledo would've been a 14 or 15 seed in NCAA, Buffalo would've got an NIT bid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 17:55:06 GMT -6
I don't see any MAC teams in the top 25? What the hell does that have to do with anything ? Does it really make sense to call Big East teams mid majors? Gonzaga? I didn't include Big East teams. You know how many teams went from Gonzaga's Conference, One, just like the MAC. Sure, just like the MAC. But, OK. Proof you are cluelessLet's ask this. Can a typical mid major really expect similar results by scheduling outside their conference? Yes, if they are good enough. Or recruit with them? Probably not but we are talking about getting an at large bid, not competing for a National Championship.
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Post by ballman on Mar 12, 2018 18:23:11 GMT -6
do you guys think we are mid major? come on get with the program and be real. 😁we need to call us the all mighty MAC loooww majors...we major in being blown out
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 12, 2018 19:39:08 GMT -6
I don't see any MAC teams in the top 25? What the hell does that have to do with anything ? Does it really make sense to call Big East teams mid majors? Gonzaga? I didn't include Big East teams. You know how many teams went from Gonzaga's Conference, One, just like the MAC. Sure, just like the MAC. But, OK. Proof you are cluelessLet's ask this. Can a typical mid major really expect similar results by scheduling outside their conference? Yes, if they are good enough. Or recruit with them? Probably not but we are talking about getting an at large bid, not competing for a National Championship. We were talking about so called mid majors in the top 25 and whether the whole issue of scheduling is something the mid major controls. I say no and it really isn't OOC scheduling that will ever make enough of a difference as long as we are in the MAC. True for most mid majors which are in similar or maybe even slightly better conferences.
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Post by DanT on Mar 12, 2018 21:56:46 GMT -6
[quote author=" halftime" source= [/quote] "There are six mid-majors in today's Top 25," [/quote] Please name these six mid majors for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 4:43:54 GMT -6
"There are six mid-majors in today's Top 25," [/quote] Please name these six mid majors for me. [/quote] Or considering you are at a computer you could look for yourself. Anyway.............. Cincinnati Gonzaga Wichita State Houston Nevada St. Mary's
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