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Post by Hoopsmith on Mar 14, 2018 22:08:40 GMT -6
Cardinc, Most would agree that the unpredictability of the tournament, "the luster of David beating Goliath," is the NCAA's meal ticket. You're not getting Susie from accounting involved without the bracket-busting upsets.
I don't know if the final four reference you made was intended to be the same year, but it wasn't to be. It was within a few years of each other, though: VCU-2011; Mason-2006; Butler-2010 AND 2011. Also could have included Wichita State (2013) for the all-time mid-major Final Four.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 14, 2018 22:18:53 GMT -6
Upsets and Cinderella stories are a plus, but big schools have very large following, too, and interest in college basketball is promoted by regular season that identifies top teams. It is the chance to see top teams meet that is biggest draw probably.
David and Goliath only part of the story.
If you are right, a mid major tournament would certainly not work. Where would Goliath be?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 4:21:30 GMT -6
Upsets and Cinderella stories are a plus, but big schools have very large following, too, and interest in college basketball is promoted by regular season that identifies top teams. It is the chance to see top teams meet that is biggest draw probably. David and Goliath only part of the story. If you are right, a mid major tournament would certainly not work. Where would Goliath be? Final Four Ratings don't really don't bear that out: www.sportsmediawatch.com/ncaa-final-four-ratings-history-most-watched-games-cbs-tbs-nbc/The highest rated ever was Mich State vs Indiana State with a rating of 24, that isn't included above because you can't really compare that era to this. The last real blue blood vs blue blood we has was UConn/UK and the ratings were nothing special.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 15, 2018 5:26:30 GMT -6
This is not about one game but the whole tourney year after year. Of course a good story line helps.
That's what I said. Those other games are all good TV without a mid major is the point.
But Indiana State vs Ball State would be a disaster on TV in a mid major only tourney.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:52:04 GMT -6
Cardinc, Most would agree that the unpredictability of the tournament, "the luster of David beating Goliath," is the NCAA's meal ticket. You're not getting Susie from accounting involved without the bracket-busting upsets. I don't know if the final four reference you made was intended to be the same year, but it wasn't to be. It was within a few years of each other, though: VCU-2011; Mason-2006; Butler-2010 AND 2011. Also could have included Wichita State (2013) for the all-time mid-major Final Four. You are correct Hoopsmith, I mixed up my years. Thanks for the correction. Can't you let me dream of unicorns and leprechauns? I can't believe George Mason was '06. Damn time flies. And I can't believe there were 5 years between the two making it to the finals. I must have been really hallucinating. I guess my point is those two mid majors making the final four was the NCAA's worst nightmare, and they have made it harder for the mid's ever since. Enjoy the tourney.
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Post by redbirdman on Mar 15, 2018 10:27:08 GMT -6
My question is does the NCAA viewership increase if we have say 2 11th seeds or higher in the final 16 or not?
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 15, 2018 11:04:57 GMT -6
The tournament is great with most of these story lines, you will always have some mix of teams, and some upsets. It adds to the drama.
There is a little bit of the dynamic like auto racing where some people really like seeing a big wreck...fun to watch and hope Duke, or Kansas or NC will be beaten by somebody even if you are not a fan of their opponent. The basketball on that great eight weekend is usually very good whoever is there. The Final Four can be a bit of a disappointment and still draw a big audience, it is after all the championship.
Besides, the whole deal with gambling on the brackets is even part of the mix in making a FF an attraction. I hate it when I lose the office contest, so even if I hate both teams I have reason to watch!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 9:16:32 GMT -6
My question is does the NCAA viewership increase if we have say 2 11th seeds or higher in the final 16 or not? How many people were watching the UVA vs UMBC game last night? I'd say a lot of people stayed up later than they thought they would to watch that upset. People need to realize if you add up the total alumni for Non Money 5 conferences, it far exceeds the alumni for the 5 money conference schools. Everyone loves Cinderella. This is why the NCAA tourney is so popular. And the greedy bastards excluding the good non major schools are going to kill the popularity of the big dance. Sing mid majors....sing! More upsets to come... Kentucky....you are next!
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 17, 2018 9:42:58 GMT -6
My question is does the NCAA viewership increase if we have say 2 11th seeds or higher in the final 16 or not? How many people were watching the UVA vs UMBC game last night? I'd say a lot of people stayed up later than they thought they would to watch that upset. People need to realize if you add up the total alumni for Non Money 5 conferences, it far exceeds the alumni for the 5 money conference schools. Everyone loves Cinderella. This is why the NCAA tourney is so popular. And the greedy bastards excluding the good non major schools are going to kill the popularity of the big dance. Part of the reason. Upsets do fuel interest. OTOH, I doubt all that many tuned in to watch that game having planned on seeing an upset. More likely though that ACC fans would have a passing interest and watch the game. The fans watching a game already on the East coast may be attracted to late game on the West coast that is exciting, but I wonder how much that changed the TV audience. We are basketball junkies and might well have watched quite a bit of a late game anyway.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 17, 2018 9:51:20 GMT -6
My question is does the NCAA viewership increase if we have say 2 11th seeds or higher in the final 16 or not? People need to realize if you add up the total alumni for Non Money 5 conferences, it far exceeds the alumni for the 5 money conference schools. Everyone loves Cinderella. That total number of alumni reason is not quite so convincing. First. I am not so sure about your numbers there. A lot of mid majors are much smaller schools and those power conferences typically include the large flagship schools. Those schools also house the professional schools and grad schools so many mid major grads are law or medicine alumni of big schools not just BSU. No crossover the other way to speak of. (BSU compared to IU/PU for example.) Second issue is that the big money schools and conferences include an awful lot of history, and mid majors often were founded later, have small student bodies then for a large part of their history, or a smaller time with large enrollment if they do grow. That means larger alumni population. Look at IU and Purdue here in Indiana compared to Indiana State, Ball State, and IUPUI. Besides that many of our alums grew up in Indiana with affiliation through family with IU or PU. And if they are basketball fans they have probably at some time followed IU or PU. Little of that crossover goes the other way. Fans in Alabama are football fans of Alabama who never set foot on campus, and that's true of IU and PU here in basketball. NOT true for BSU. The big schools also attract national audience. Duke, NC, UCLA, and so on, have pro players known by people outside their geographical or alumni affiliation bases. I also do not see a large "mid major" fan base to match that of the big conferences, where entire regions support the SEC, B10, B12, Big East, PAC 10, and so on, with large exposure on regional and national TV to establish their brands. Regional affiliation also fuels interest when a West Coast team goes East to play. Few people from East will be all that excited about watching 16 seed go out to play late in California...But an ACC power with a middling seed might attract some fans. I do agree, those upsets are fun! But then I am a long time basketball junkie anyway. I'll watch a blowout to see a player or coach or just because I am sitting there in front of the TV during March... I even watch conference tourneys. HELP ME PLEASE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 10:24:32 GMT -6
There are 63 schools in the money 5 conferences (sec, acc, big 10, big 12, pac 12). Your mid major enrollment quantity statement? Wake Forest and Duke don't even total 9,000.
There are 347 division 1 schools.
Go ahead and crunch the numbers with your abacus 00hmh. I don't need to waste my time on that one.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 17, 2018 11:29:58 GMT -6
There are 63 schools in the money 5 conferences (sec, acc, big 10, big 12, pac 12). Your mid major enrollment quantity statement? Wake Forest and Duke don't even total 9,000. There are 347 division 1 schools. Go ahead and crunch the numbers with your abacus 00hmh. I don't need to waste my time on that one. Wait a minute. How many of the 347 D1 schools are in the tournament. Of that how many are mid majors? How many power conference schools? Then let's go the teams followed by NON-alumni. Don't kid yourself that mid majors have anything like the TV coverage, newspaper and other media coverage, exposure in any way. Don't tell me you really tune in to watch all the games involving mid majors because they are mid majors and you mainly care about mid majors. There is NO mid major demographic fan base. If there were we would see TV coverage in prime time of mid major games all year. I gave a number of arguments above. The total alumni population argument is not as clear as you think and it's not the only argument I made. My point was not only that many of the majors in those power conference have huge alumni bases. It is that they draw more viewers and interest for lots of reasons. Not just that they have the best teams and large followings in the single group most likely to watch which is sports fans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 13:08:23 GMT -6
There are 63 schools in the money 5 conferences (sec, acc, big 10, big 12, pac 12). Your mid major enrollment quantity statement? Wake Forest and Duke don't even total 9,000. There are 347 division 1 schools. Go ahead and crunch the numbers with your abacus 00hmh. I don't need to waste my time on that one. There is NO mid major demographic fan base. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Sure, no one is talking about UMBC today. I am certain everyone is just waiting for that huge Florida vs Texas Tech match-up tonight, man that'll move the needle. The hell with Duke/ Rhode Island or Loyola/Tennessee who wants to watch those crappy games. Now give us a nine hundred word backpedal like you normally do.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 17, 2018 16:12:41 GMT -6
There is NO mid major demographic fan base. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Sure, no one is talking about UMBC today. I am certain everyone is just waiting for that huge Florida vs Texas Tech match-up tonight, man that'll move the needle. The hell with Duke/ Rhode Island or Loyola/Tennessee who wants to watch those crappy games. Now give us a nine hundred word backpedal like you normally do. Damn, I missed all their national TV games all year.
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