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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 20, 2018 17:47:53 GMT -6
You frequently misrepresent what other people write. It doesn't escape our notice, in case you thought it did
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 20, 2018 17:54:25 GMT -6
By the way that's Frank Gorshin as the black-on-the-right-side guy. Not straying very far from his Riddler look.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 20, 2018 18:01:16 GMT -6
You frequently misrepresent what other people write. It doesn't escape our notice, in case you thought it did I can't believe that! Well actually I admit it. I get your point. But, I also know sometimes that's just a case of not liking the answer, or appreciating my response as intended even when you get my point. But I do admit to a some exaggeration, and even reductio ad absurdem sometimes. That's fair, I think. And don't pretend you or some others are always striving for fair and objective discussion either. And then, also, just maybe, sometimes you just don't understand my point, too. As I might not understand yours properly. And is it possible sometimes others exaggerate and misrepresenting each others' points on an internet forum, making it fair to respond in kind?
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 20, 2018 19:50:28 GMT -6
No. You're particularly bad about misrepresentation. Not the only one that does it on the internet, but particularly bad
I argue to win ( I don't give a f--- about persuading) and so I use all sorts of tactics that probably piss people off, but I draw the line at misrepresentation. It may often be a subtle distinction between a tactic like exaggeration and misrepresentation, but you know it when you see it
Since I argue to win, i expect and accept that my opponents are also...so I'll tolerate quite a bit. But the one thing I really hate is to have my words misrepresented. I remember it. That's how I can so surely say you're particularly bad
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 20, 2018 19:58:15 GMT -6
No. You're particularly bad about misrepresentation. Not the only one that does it on the internet, but particularly bad I argue to win ( I don't give a f--- about persuading) and so I use all sorts of tactics that probably piss people off, but I draw the line at misrepresentation. It may often be a subtle distinction between a tactic like exaggeration and misrepresentation, but you know it when you see it Since I argue to win, i expect and accept that my opponents are also...so I'll tolerate quite a bit. But the one thing I really hate is to have my words misrepresented. I remember it. That's how I can so surely say you're particularly bad
I hesitated before hitting create post since I try to avoid ad hominem, then I thought "this is the guy who used a racial slur to misrepresent my position implying that I agreed with the use of the slur."
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 20, 2018 20:28:19 GMT -6
I cannot begin to tell you how much I have missed the 00hmh vs. Halftime/Sweep rivalry and banter. Not joking at all. It is the odd couple personified. Both clearly intelligent and opinionated on completely opposite sides of the issues/topics that occupy the Cardinal faithful. One pontificates and speculates the other jeers and smears. Rejoice in this never ending battle of the ages. Not me. Now it just means there are massive sections of threads I'll ignore rather than read how they both dismiss any valid point the other has made and keep trying to misdirect to some side track that has virtually nothing to do with the original point. So damn boring.
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Post by sweep on Nov 20, 2018 20:57:10 GMT -6
I cannot begin to tell you how much I have missed the 00hmh vs. Halftime/Sweep rivalry and banter. Not joking at all. It is the odd couple personified. Both clearly intelligent and opinionated on completely opposite sides of the issues/topics that occupy the Cardinal faithful. One pontificates and speculates the other jeers and smears. Rejoice in this never ending battle of the ages. Not me. Now it just means there are massive sections of threads I'll ignore rather than read how they both dismiss any valid point the other has made and keep trying to misdirect to some side track that has virtually nothing to do with the original point. So damn boring. What are you talking about, the vast majority of my responses to 00 are either an attempt to get him back on point or accurately restating my original post.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 20, 2018 21:08:24 GMT -6
I argue to win ( I don't give a f--- about persuading) and so I use all sorts of tactics that probably piss people off, but I draw the line at misrepresentation. It may often be a subtle distinction between a tactic like exaggeration and misrepresentation, but you know it when you see it Since I argue to win, i expect and accept that my opponents are also...so I'll tolerate quite a bit. But the one thing I really hate is to have my words misrepresented. I remember it. That's how I can so surely say you're particularly bad OK. I don't always see these discussions as win-lose. Even if some here don't understand this in a fight, I prefer to try to meet a standard of being civil and good natured, even if I am disagreeable.
In any case, I appreciate your point. Thanks for expressing it more clearly. Still think you are not reading that "misrepresentation" that you see in right light sometimes, though. And obviously you and I disagree about a few things.
At the risk of violating somebody's word count in a response, let me explain. I try to give an opponent in argument his due, Why, I'll even agree on some things, have done it with about everybody I disagree with. By forum standards fairly often. Some here just can't ever admit error or having made a gaffe in argument, or to agree to anything.
That's wrong. Nobody here is an idiot. People here are smart. Most are sincere and deserve respect. I argue with people on a consistent basis where that is my belief. Yeah, sure, I'll give a shot back at people on occasion and enjoy a good fight, usually even enjoy one that I see as unfair, or flat out wrong. It's an internet forum...
But, keep in mind, some of those "tactics" you use are things where I draw the line, even if it is just the General Sherman in you, and most of us love it. Can't promise I'll always just let that go without firing a shot back.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 20, 2018 21:16:32 GMT -6
I cannot begin to tell you how much I have missed the 00hmh vs. Halftime/Sweep rivalry and banter. Not joking at all. It is the odd couple personified. Both clearly intelligent and opinionated on completely opposite sides of the issues/topics that occupy the Cardinal faithful. One pontificates and speculates the other jeers and smears. Rejoice in this never ending battle of the ages. Not me. Now it just means there are massive sections of threads I'll ignore rather than read how they both dismiss any valid point the other has made and keep trying to misdirect to some side track that has virtually nothing to do with the original point. So damn boring. But, Dad, he did it first.
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Post by realitycheck on Nov 21, 2018 0:14:13 GMT -6
By the way that's Frank Gorshin as the black-on-the-right-side guy. Not straying very far from his Riddler look. Yes that episode is a classic. I almost went with the Lazarus episode where the two doppelgänger antagonists eventually were trapped “at each other’s throats for all eternity” but I couldn’t resist the “riddler” in all his giddy glory.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 22, 2018 19:33:29 GMT -6
For christs sake someone paraphrase this for me. You drunk bastards have finally lost your shit.. No way in hell Im reading all that
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Post by rgmillikan on Nov 23, 2018 11:13:14 GMT -6
One of my favorite analysis sites is TeamCast. Just noting some things about the last week, and way too early predictions about ongoing... - The three losses are currently ranked in their rankings at 14 (VT), 25 (PU), and 44 (Bama). - Those three teams are projected as 3 seed (VT), 6 seed (PU), and 11 seed and last 4 in (Bama). - BSU is picked 57th team out, FWIW - Currently they project a 19-12 (11-7) record going into the MAC tournament - Even with the above, they only show BSU as outright underdogs by their metric in 5 remaining games (at Loyola - 80%, at Valpo - 62%, at Toledo - 53%, at Buffalo -78%, and at Miami - 55%) - There are 7 near tossups in their metric however, and they give a 5-2 edge to the Cards in those in their percentages (at Evansville - W 53%, at Toledo - L 53%, at Bowling Green - W 55%, at Ohio - W 51%, at NIU - W 51%, at Miami - L 55%, at EMU - W 52%). However, to get to 19-12, BSU would actually need to go 1-6 in these (assuming other spreads held). Thus, they assume that the Cards will blow most of the near toss-ups. As they predict 5 non-con losses, that would mean that all of these losses would come from the conference games and the Evansville win would hold. - Only three losses remaining are not near toss-up based on their metric (At Buffalo, at Loyola, at Valpo) Yeah, this is utterly meaningless, but being a bored stat geek I found it interesting. I always find it interesting how these numbers hold up to reality down the road, and how they adjust ongoing as the annual swoon hits. Gotta do something to make up for the lack of NCAA tournament hopes... Interesting forecast. It doesnt appear too far out of line with other sites like teamrankings. I said going into the year I'd be satisfied with 12 or more MAC wins and at minimum a MAC Finals appearance. So far I think odds are clearly well under 50% that both happen but I'd like to be wrong.
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Post by rgmillikan on Nov 23, 2018 11:15:26 GMT -6
Nice job. For more way too early simulations see: www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/ball-st-cardinals/projectionsOptimists will say we improve over current performance. Pessimists will say we're over rated now. Others will say no matter what, we SHOULD be better, after all we once had a stretch 20 years ago when we were, and I am sure a variety of negative opinion will be impressive. This is BSU, where fans live to suffer and not enjoy their teams under any but the very best results. In fairness maybe only 1-2 MAC fanbases like a NIU or BG would be even close to being satisfied with the last 16 Ball State seasons.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 23, 2018 20:57:28 GMT -6
Nobody should have to suffer through the depths we have seen, but right now I suspect most fan bases would be happy with our results. Over the last 3 years we've been good.
But still want to improve to the very top of the conference.
This year a very good Buffalo team may prevent that.
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Post by sweep on Nov 24, 2018 5:39:40 GMT -6
Nobody should have to suffer through the depths we have seen, but right now I suspect most fan bases would be happy with our results. Over the last 3 years we've been good. Yes fourth place seeds in the MAC tourney would excite almost anyone.
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