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Post by sweep on Dec 14, 2018 9:32:27 GMT -6
Recruiters recruit and good coaches (especially mid major) develop players. We do neither. Huggins is reportedly on track to contribute next year.
What, he is going to "contribute" in only his third season. What kind of witchcraft is Whitford using ?
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Post by basketbull on Dec 14, 2018 10:20:57 GMT -6
Not really fair to take offense to the statement when applied to your own team and then turn around and say the same thing about another team with little to support it. UB's last player with character concerns was Justin Moss, and he was given no leniency even after being named MAC player of the year. Since Oats has been the head coach, there has really been no issue to speak of. It's easy to just extrapolate that the reason they have good players in the MAC is character concerns but there's really no evidence behind it. They aren't overlooked by other schools, they're just legitimately winning recruiting battles because they have developed a winning tradition, they play an up tempo style that appeals to high school players, and a high percentage of alumni go on to play professionally overseas. They've been going up against high major schools for recruits and even when they don't land the big fish they've been doing a good job filling out the roster with athletic JUCOs who may not fit into a traditional position that other teams are looking for. I don't disagree. If you read my post above it is pretty much what I said. Some academic risk, some character risk, and they have hit when recruiting athletic players, and used JUCO players well.
Buffalo has some things going for it, no doubt about it. OTOH recruiting is a crap shoot, and those excellent athletes who work out well, they have hit a bit more than their share. Is it good judgment? A good run of the cards with players signed working out well? A very favorable environment relative to some MAC schools based on recent winning history that attracts talent? Undoubtedly a mix of all three.
Enjoy your current success. But beware, it is not unlikely that soon enough you will be cursing the coaches as idiots and/or cursing the administration for allowing good coaches to leave, and not finding better to replace them.
Certainly enjoying the ride while it lasts. Success is fleeting in the MAC. I’m just glad UB is sitting on the top for however long that may be. Oats talks a big game about staying and building but I expect him to receive an offer he can’t refuse after this season or next. If he does move along, I hope he decides before Coach Hodgson starts getting calls for other mid major HC positions because whether or not they can keep hitting on recruits, continuity can at least sustain the locker room culture.
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Post by sweep on Dec 14, 2018 10:36:28 GMT -6
I don't disagree. If you read my post above it is pretty much what I said. Some academic risk, some character risk, and they have hit when recruiting athletic players, and used JUCO players well.
Buffalo has some things going for it, no doubt about it. OTOH recruiting is a crap shoot, and those excellent athletes who work out well, they have hit a bit more than their share. Is it good judgment? A good run of the cards with players signed working out well? A very favorable environment relative to some MAC schools based on recent winning history that attracts talent? Undoubtedly a mix of all three.
Enjoy your current success. But beware, it is not unlikely that soon enough you will be cursing the coaches as idiots and/or cursing the administration for allowing good coaches to leave, and not finding better to replace them.
Certainly enjoying the ride while it lasts. Success is fleeting in the MAC. I’m just glad UB is sitting on the top for however long that may be. Oats talks a big game about staying and building but I expect him to receive an offer he can’t refuse after this season or next. If he does move along, I hope he decides before Coach Hodgson starts getting calls for other mid major HC positions because whether or not they can keep hitting on recruits, continuity can at least sustain the locker room culture. Talent evaluation isn't a dark science and some coaches are just better at it than others. Buffalo will be good for at least the next several years.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 14, 2018 10:48:03 GMT -6
Certainly enjoying the ride while it lasts. Success is fleeting in the MAC. I’m just glad UB is sitting on the top for however long that may be. Oats talks a big game about staying and building but I expect him to receive an offer he can’t refuse after this season or next. If he does move along, I hope he decides before Coach Hodgson starts getting calls for other mid major HC positions because whether or not they can keep hitting on recruits, continuity can at least sustain the locker room culture. Talent evaluation isn't a dark science and some coaches are just better at it than others. Buffalo will be good for at least the next several years. I agree, enough talent there to be good.
Not sure it will be as good as this year if they have a coaching change. But it would be the best open job in the MAC. Maybe Akron is a better place, Ohio is good, Toledo. But those jobs probably filled for a few years. Oats looks like the hot property.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 14, 2018 11:30:51 GMT -6
Recruiters recruit and good coaches (especially mid major) develop players. We do neither. Huggins is reportedly on track to contribute next year.
Always cracks me up how people will believe what they are told by someone when it is what they want to believe....even if it's completely contrary to what they see with their own eyes.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 14, 2018 11:57:14 GMT -6
Huggins is reportedly on track to contribute next year.
Always cracks me up how people will believe what they are told by someone when it is what they want to believe....even if it's completely contrary to what they see with their own eyes. Well I have seen him practice and do trust a coach or two who work with him. If he is RS soph player and can play then he's a good use of scholarship.
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Post by sweep on Dec 14, 2018 12:04:59 GMT -6
Always cracks me up how people will believe what they are told by someone when it is what they want to believe....even if it's completely contrary to what they see with their own eyes. Well I have seen him practice and do trust a coach or two who work with him. Yeah and those coaches don't have a self interest in blowing sunshine up your ass.
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Post by thebsukid on Dec 14, 2018 12:58:12 GMT -6
I tell you I watched Huggins play a bit...he has length, has pretty good inside scoring presence, and will block shots.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 14, 2018 15:53:38 GMT -6
Well I have seen him practice and do trust a coach or two who work with him. Yeah and those coaches don't have a self interest in blowing sunshine up your ass. Not really. They are not making outrageous claims, they identify strengths and weakness that people on this forum have noted.
General whose post I answered seemed to be saying his eyes saw nothing of value there, little potential. I have said nothing about Huggins that is contrary to an objective eye. He will as a RS sophomore be able to contribute, good chances he will be a capable starter as an upperclassman. I'd be surprised if he is a star, but he can protect the rim, rebound, and run the court, good athlete.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 14, 2018 17:03:33 GMT -6
He might contribute in the sense that we will probably be in desperate need of a warm body at his position in coming years....based on how recruiting is going. Much like we had to play the likes of Zach Fields, Bik Gill and Tom Howland significant minutes in past seasons.
But so far his "pretty good inside scoring presence" has managed one garbage time basket in ten games.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 14, 2018 17:21:44 GMT -6
He might contribute in the sense that we will probably be in desperate need of a warm body at his position in coming years....based on how recruiting is going. Much like we had to play the likes of Zach Fields, Bik Gill and Tom Howland significant minutes in past seasons. But so far his "pretty good inside scoring presence" has managed one garbage time basket in ten games. No question he needs work. Most MAC big recruits do. He will be better than the players you mention.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 14, 2018 17:33:25 GMT -6
Well, if you say so. But Fields was equally productive as a freshman and Howland was approximately ten times more productive. Not sure, but I don't recollect either having the benefit of a redshirt year to develop.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 14, 2018 18:01:58 GMT -6
Well, if you say so. But Fields was equally productive as a freshman and Howland was approximately ten times more productive. Not sure, but I don't recollect either having the benefit of a redshirt year to develop. Let's see who has more impact over time. Freshman performance is not the important comparison.
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Post by bsutrack on Dec 14, 2018 18:25:19 GMT -6
We should get an indicator on Huggins at the beginning of next season in regard to if the Canadian Hendrix is red-shirted or not. If Hendrix is red-shirted next year the implication would be Huggins is ready to handle significant minutes at the 5. If Hendrix isn't red-shirted I would think that indicates Huggins is ready even if Hendrix really should have been red-shirted.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 14, 2018 18:29:06 GMT -6
Hendrix may be the replacement for Teague, not Moses. He is a cypher right now, not much idea what he is.
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