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Post by thebsukid on Jan 9, 2019 13:17:20 GMT -6
I was very unsatisfied with both our play and coaching last night! I understand that Nehls hit 3 threes but he is as much a defensively liability as Gunn. KJ has been the man offensively and defensively and should have been on the floor another 10 minutes minimum...you got to go with what brought you to the party...Zone or no Zone....maybe Nehls for spot minutes given our injuries.
I did like our high-low action which I said we do a lot of but why not run KJ with his athletisism on the base line?
If Mallers is out along with Hazen, Ish we will struggle the next few weeks...not suggesting we are out but that places significant pressure on the first five. This has nothing to do with Coaching or recruiting...but continued bad luck for the Cards.
I'm betting the seniors step up against Ohio and we win big!
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 9, 2019 13:18:49 GMT -6
I personally define local talent as Indiana kids.
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Post by reevo on Jan 9, 2019 13:44:01 GMT -6
i totally forgot about 92/93! but look at all those delaware county players. how many have we even had on the roster since petey graduated? people generally remember Bill Gillis fondly, right? his senior year:10.2 Pts, 6.6 Reb, 0.5 Ast Trey Moses this year:9.7 Pts, 6.3 Reb, 2.4 Ast hmmmmm Ray, Bonzi & Chandler were undoubtedly transcendent difference makers. The rest of our DelCo and nearby players were complimentary with the exception maybe of Clemens, Petey & Butts. Paris McCurdy, Steve Payne, Chris Williams, Tee Smith were also tremendous non-local difference makers. Local talent is non existent today, that is true, but our past success was not solely dependent on it. No one here is claiming the MAC of today is the MAC of our dominant era from 88-01. It's clearly not. But there's plenty of talent in the state and nearby midwestern states to compete and win, which we've done. What we haven't done in six years is win more than ONE MAC tourney game TOTAL and we've not gotten "lucky" enough as you spin it to land a true stud. We've recruited well but not to a championship level. Someone, every year from what I've seen, does just that and actually wins our one-bid league. Just not us. Your portrait of Muncie as some barren dump site is unfair and inaccurate. The loss of manufacturing jobs in Muncie is typical versus atypical of most similar rust-belt towns and in truth the city has made some great strides in improving downtown, rebuilding infrastructure, razing dilapidated housing and reclaiming/repurposing old industrial sites. Muncie Community Schools is now under the management of Ball State and has an excellent board and will get turned around. In the meantime, there's plenty of good schools in Yorktown, Delta and throughout the county plus Burris. The community has issues but the meter is on the plus side, IMHO. Lastly, please don't compare Trey with Bill Gillis. Trey is a fine young man who has built a very worthy career here but Gillis was a stud and a force who could have averaged twice what he did if Payne wasn't the dominant player he was. That is statistical bullsh*t. AMEN Brother! No freaking comparison. Put Gillis and Payne on this team and we are in the top 30 and kicking Buffalos ass.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 9, 2019 14:31:42 GMT -6
While I appreciate the new guy walking in here likes he owns the place effort.. This whole Delaware County argument ranks right up there with the dumbest of the dumb rants. We are one of the most local teams Ive ever seen. I am not sure that is always a good thing either. We also have Bumbo coming from the next town over. We have also been in contact and are closely watching the Bryant kid from Delta. We cant take a kid from delaware county if there is not one deserving unless you want Bobby from Burris, Danny from Delta and Caleb from Central. We tried that in football alot and we have seen the results
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Post by sweep on Jan 9, 2019 14:40:10 GMT -6
I personally define local talent as Indiana kids. I would say all of Indiana and anything else within a three hour drive.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 9, 2019 14:40:52 GMT -6
The kid at Blackford is also being scouted heavily.
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Post by sweep on Jan 9, 2019 14:46:04 GMT -6
If you look back prior to 2000 most mid major recruiting was more locally focused. AAU ball has changed a lot of that. Every coach in the country can now scout hundreds of potential recruits in a single July weekend.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 9, 2019 14:50:33 GMT -6
If you look back prior to 2000 most mid major recruiting was more locally focused. AAU ball has changed a lot of that. Every coach in the country can now scout hundreds of potential recruits in a single July weekend. Which is how whit recruits. He doesn’t exactly beat the bushes and spend hours going to high school games.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 9, 2019 16:36:38 GMT -6
Even if there were local studs, who has confidence that Whit could successfully recruit them and coach them?
Was Mason Gillis going to BSU with all those family ties? No.
And what did Whit do with the local stud he recruited (Davis). Nothing. In fact, the stud ended up being benched late in his time with Whit.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 9, 2019 16:50:46 GMT -6
In fairness he was a stud as a h.s. freshman. His circuitous journey was long and harrowing. He was damaged goods when he arrived here.
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Post by sweep on Jan 9, 2019 17:02:34 GMT -6
In fairness he was a stud as a h.s. freshman. His circuitous journey was long and harrowing. He was damaged goods when he arrived here. Who are you referencing to and could we get some back story ?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 9, 2019 17:31:38 GMT -6
In fairness he was a stud as a h.s. freshman. His circuitous journey was long and harrowing. He was damaged goods when he arrived here. Who are you referencing to and could we get some back story ? Oh come on how quickly you forget Jeremiah Davis.
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Post by sweep on Jan 9, 2019 17:36:16 GMT -6
Who are you referencing to and could we get some back story ? Oh come on how quickly you forget Jeremiah Davis. Yeah my bad.........However..............
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 9, 2019 17:41:16 GMT -6
In fairness he was a stud as a h.s. freshman. His circuitous journey was long and harrowing. He was damaged goods when he arrived here. Who are you referencing to and could we get some back story ? I assume he was referencing Davis and, in fairness, he's probably correct in a lot of areas. Nevertheless, Davis remained enough of a stud when leaving h.s. that he went to a much better program in a much better conference than BSU and the MAC. He played not insignificant minutes early. Damaged goods or not, Whitford welcomed him to campus with a scholarship in hand. Even though I seriously doubt Whitford had studied the link between Delaware County players and NCAA berths, I assume he recruited Davis because he thought the player could help him win. Despite his Delaware County pedigree, Whitford couldn't coach Davis off the bench at the end of his BSU career.
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 9, 2019 18:50:50 GMT -6
i totally forgot about 92/93! but look at all those delaware county players. how many have we even had on the roster since petey graduated? people generally remember Bill Gillis fondly, right? his senior year:10.2 Pts, 6.6 Reb, 0.5 Ast Trey Moses this year:9.7 Pts, 6.3 Reb, 2.4 Ast hmmmmm Ray, Bonzi & Chandler were undoubtedly transcendent difference makers. The rest of our DelCo and nearby players were complimentary with the exception maybe of Clemens, Petey & Butts. Paris McCurdy, Steve Payne, Chris Williams, Tee Smith were also tremendous non-local difference makers. Local talent is non existent today, that is true, but our past success was not solely dependent on it. No one here is claiming the MAC of today is the MAC of our dominant era from 88-01. It's clearly not. But there's plenty of talent in the state and nearby midwestern states to compete and win, which we've done. What we haven't done in six years is win more than ONE MAC tourney game TOTAL and we've not gotten "lucky" enough as you spin it to land a true stud. We've recruited well but not to a championship level. Someone, every year from what I've seen, does just that and actually wins our one-bid league. Just not us. Your portrait of Muncie as some barren dump site is unfair and inaccurate. The loss of manufacturing jobs in Muncie is typical versus atypical of most similar rust-belt towns and in truth the city has made some great strides in improving downtown, rebuilding infrastructure, razing dilapidated housing and reclaiming/repurposing old industrial sites. Muncie Community Schools is now under the management of Ball State and has an excellent board and will get turned around. In the meantime, there's plenty of good schools in Yorktown, Delta and throughout the county plus Burris. The community has issues but the meter is on the plus side, IMHO. Lastly, please don't compare Trey with Bill Gillis. Trey is a fine young man who has built a very worthy career here but Gillis was a stud and a force who could have averaged twice what he did if Payne wasn't the dominant player he was. That is statistical bullsh*t. I just found it interesting. also compare teagues numbers to the bigs on that team. there are some similarities with that team (probably more than any of our other mac tourney champ teams....not that this current team is that good, but closest comparison)
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