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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 9, 2019 18:52:09 GMT -6
While I appreciate the new guy walking in here likes he owns the place effort.. This whole Delaware County argument ranks right up there with the dumbest of the dumb rants. We are one of the most local teams Ive ever seen. I am not sure that is always a good thing either. We also have Bumbo coming from the next town over. We have also been in contact and are closely watching the Bryant kid from Delta. We cant take a kid from delaware county if there is not one deserving unless you want Bobby from Burris, Danny from Delta and Caleb from Central. We tried that in football alot and we have seen the results you just said it was dumb and then agreed with me. there is no local talent.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 9, 2019 19:21:58 GMT -6
He was alluding to your assertion that the decline in local talent and the impact of local talent in our heyday is a primary reason we aren’t or can’t expect to be successful. Is that an accurate synopsis of your point?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 9, 2019 20:01:57 GMT -6
He was alluding to your assertion that the decline in local talent and the impact of local talent in our heyday is a primary reason we aren’t or can’t expect to be successful. Is that an accurate synopsis of your point? <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 24.200000000000045px; height: 3.240000000000009px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_12017583" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_80702289" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 102px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35538417" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: 102px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_10835165" scrolling="no"></iframe> Maybe I was unclear but you get what Im saying lol
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 9, 2019 20:28:06 GMT -6
He was alluding to your assertion that the decline in local talent and the impact of local talent in our heyday is a primary reason we aren’t or can’t expect to be successful. Is that an accurate synopsis of your point? yes. most of our best teams featured key players who were not only local but could have gone to "better" schools but stayed home for one reason or another. our best chance now to land a great player in muncie is for them to already be here. as for muncie - I'm back 3-4 times a year. I see stagnation to gradual decline, I'd love for someone to point out the economic development I am apparently missing. (other than campus, campus is changing all the time). but at least the traffic isn't bad, I guess.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 9, 2019 21:15:29 GMT -6
Isn’t it obvious that all the Indiana All Stars we’ve been getting, including one from New Castle next year and another player now in Richmond who is a strong candidate are just not of local quality? I mean if they aren’t from down the street they just can’t play. I wish Tahjai was from Muncie so he could play better and win MAC player of the week more than twice in 3 weeks. Lame. The 6’8 kid sitting out as a transfer (he was on the League all rookie team at his former school last year), he’s from Cleveland so you KNOW he’s no good. Everyone knows a college town’s economy and demographics are a huge factor in whether or not that university can field a championship basket program. I mean players go to a school for the town, not the school or program. Duh.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 9, 2019 22:19:24 GMT -6
He was alluding to your assertion that the decline in local talent and the impact of local talent in our heyday is a primary reason we aren’t or can’t expect to be successful. Is that an accurate synopsis of your point? yes. most of our best teams featured key players who were not only local but could have gone to "better" schools but stayed home for one reason or another. our best chance now to land a great player in muncie is for them to already be here. as for muncie - I'm back 3-4 times a year. I see stagnation to gradual decline, I'd love for someone to point out the economic development I am apparently missing. (other than campus, campus is changing all the time). but at least the traffic isn't bad, I guess. Let’s see, I’ll start with downtown with a makers space in the former Cintas building that includes numerous small businesses and Guardian Brewery. Elm Street Brewery is a tremendous new brew pub restaurant also near downtown. The downtown area has also undergone a major renaissance with numerous new small businesses, a new Courtyard Marriott hotel, a new Ivy Tech College building is under construction on High Street. Two former closed factories, Indiana Steel & Wire and Borg Warner are being revived, one as the Kitzleman Clean Energy Park and the other will be the site of a zinc oxide processor. Both will add a couple hundred new jobs. The former Chevy plant, most recently a massive concrete slab eyesore, has been turned into over a hundred new multi unit apartments, with new youth ballparks across the street. Multiple new retail developments have opened in the past two years including a major retail plaza near the Mall with Dicks, McCallisters, etc. On the west end, lots more retail including Five Guys, a new hotel, the old Tonys Lockeroom is reopened as Genos, two new car dealerships. On west and south side, major investments in new sidewalks and medians, four or five new roundabouts, new bike lanes. Greenway rails to trails system expansion by Yorktown east to Muncie. In the healthcare space, IU health and numerous affiliates and non affiliated providers continue to expand such as Meridian Health. This doesn’t even take into consideration the many small to medium size entrepreneurs who are growing in the community. Trust me, we have blight, drug, crime, poverty and local political issues. That is undeniable. But we have lots of success stories going on and again the ticker is trending up IMHO.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 9, 2019 22:42:36 GMT -6
yes. most of our best teams featured key players who were not only local but could have gone to "better" schools but stayed home for one reason or another. our best chance now to land a great player in muncie is for them to already be here. as for muncie - I'm back 3-4 times a year. I see stagnation to gradual decline, I'd love for someone to point out the economic development I am apparently missing. (other than campus, campus is changing all the time). but at least the traffic isn't bad, I guess. Let’s see, I’ll start with downtown with a makers space in the former Cintas building that includes numerous small businesses and Guardian Brewery. Elm Street Brewery is a tremendous new brew pub restaurant also near downtown. The downtown area has also undergone a major renaissance with numerous new small businesses, a new Courtyard Marriott hotel, a new Ivy Tech College building is under construction on High Street. Two former closed factories, Indiana Steel & Wire and Borg Warner are being revived, one as the Kitzleman Clean Energy Park and the other will be the site of a zinc oxide processor. Both will add a couple hundred new jobs. The former Chevy plant, most recently a massive concrete slab eyesore, has been turned into over a hundred new multi unit apartments, with new youth ballparks across the street. Multiple new retail developments have opened in the past two years including a major retail plaza near the Mall with Dicks, McCallisters, etc. On the west end, lots more retail including Five Guys, a new hotel, the old Tonys Lockeroom is reopened as Genos, two new car dealerships. On west and south side, major investments in new sidewalks and medians, four or five new roundabouts, new bike lanes. Greenway rails to trails system expansion by Yorktown east to Muncie. In the healthcare space, IU health and numerous affiliates and non affiliated providers continue to expand such as Meridian Health. This doesn’t even take into consideration the many small to medium size entrepreneurs who are growing in the community. Trust me, we have blight, drug, crime, poverty and local political issues. That is undeniable. But we have lots of success stories going on and again the ticker is trending up IMHO. You had at me at 5 guys
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 9, 2019 22:55:09 GMT -6
Has anyone heard of a ''Weenie Wizard" comin' to town?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 10, 2019 0:29:58 GMT -6
Has anyone heard of a ''Weenie Wizard" comin' to town? Coming I've lived here for 20 years now
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 10, 2019 6:56:38 GMT -6
yes. most of our best teams featured key players who were not only local but could have gone to "better" schools but stayed home for one reason or another. our best chance now to land a great player in muncie is for them to already be here. as for muncie - I'm back 3-4 times a year. I see stagnation to gradual decline, I'd love for someone to point out the economic development I am apparently missing. (other than campus, campus is changing all the time). but at least the traffic isn't bad, I guess. Let’s see, I’ll start with downtown with a makers space in the former Cintas building that includes numerous small businesses and Guardian Brewery. Elm Street Brewery is a tremendous new brew pub restaurant also near downtown. The downtown area has also undergone a major renaissance with numerous new small businesses, a new Courtyard Marriott hotel, a new Ivy Tech College building is under construction on High Street. Two former closed factories, Indiana Steel & Wire and Borg Warner are being revived, one as the Kitzleman Clean Energy Park and the other will be the site of a zinc oxide processor. Both will add a couple hundred new jobs. The former Chevy plant, most recently a massive concrete slab eyesore, has been turned into over a hundred new multi unit apartments, with new youth ballparks across the street. Multiple new retail developments have opened in the past two years including a major retail plaza near the Mall with Dicks, McCallisters, etc. On the west end, lots more retail including Five Guys, a new hotel, the old Tonys Lockeroom is reopened as Genos, two new car dealerships. On west and south side, major investments in new sidewalks and medians, four or five new roundabouts, new bike lanes. Greenway rails to trails system expansion by Yorktown east to Muncie. In the healthcare space, IU health and numerous affiliates and non affiliated providers continue to expand such as Meridian Health. This doesn’t even take into consideration the many small to medium size entrepreneurs who are growing in the community. Trust me, we have blight, drug, crime, poverty and local political issues. That is undeniable. But we have lots of success stories going on and again the ticker is trending up IMHO. seems like that dicks sporting goods has been there longer than two years - but thank you for that. it is good to see something positive happening even if it isn't obvious to us when we come to visit for a weekend every few months. we tried to go see a movie but there is only one currently operating movie place in town (however the shows were mostly sold out!) so things like that leave an impression that you might not have if you are involved day to day. I did hear about some new breweries and am excited to check them out when I get back up there.
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Jan 10, 2019 7:03:20 GMT -6
Isn’t it obvious that all the Indiana All Stars we’ve been getting, including one from New Castle next year and another player now in Richmond who is a strong candidate are just not of local quality? I mean if they aren’t from down the street they just can’t play. I wish Tahjai was from Muncie so he could play better and win MAC player of the week more than twice in 3 weeks. Lame. The 6’8 kid sitting out as a transfer (he was on the League all rookie team at his former school last year), he’s from Cleveland so you KNOW he’s no good. Everyone knows a college town’s economy and demographics are a huge factor in whether or not that university can field a championship basket program. I mean players go to a school for the town, not the school or program. Duh. I think you are intentionally misrepresenting my point. A guy like Bonzi was a big 10 caliber player, who stayed home to play for us. If he was from indianapolis, he wasn't coming to BSU. We can get some good players but we aren't going to steal anyone Purdue or IU wants - unless maybe they want to stay home and play. the other thing that happens when you get those absolutely home town kids playing great basketball is that the Muncie community comes out to support them, and it builds some excitement. BSU struggles with getting the community at large to care about its programs. One way to get some interest is the 'local boy makes good' story. I'm not saying we recruit a guy who can't play just to get the locals to pay attention, but I'm saying the lack of local guys who can play and bring the community to the games isn't helping our cause. We talk about anyone from indiana being local, but how many kids playing high school ball are dreaming of playing for Ball State over IU, Purdue, or Notre Dame? someone made the point about aau and that definitely has a lot to do with how current recruiting works, sure.
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Post by sweep on Jan 10, 2019 7:09:11 GMT -6
Isn’t it obvious that all the Indiana All Stars we’ve been getting, including one from New Castle next year and another player now in Richmond who is a strong candidate are just not of local quality? I mean if they aren’t from down the street they just can’t play. I wish Tahjai was from Muncie so he could play better and win MAC player of the week more than twice in 3 weeks. Lame. The 6’8 kid sitting out as a transfer (he was on the League all rookie team at his former school last year), he’s from Cleveland so you KNOW he’s no good. Everyone knows a college town’s economy and demographics are a huge factor in whether or not that university can field a championship basket program. I mean players go to a school for the town, not the school or program. Duh. I think you are intentionally misrepresenting my point. A guy like Bonzi was a big 10 caliber player, who stayed home to play for us. If he was from indianapolis, he wasn't coming to BSU. We can get some good players but we aren't going to steal anyone Purdue or IU wants - unless maybe they want to stay home and play. the other thing that happens when you get those absolutely home town kids playing great basketball is that the Muncie community comes out to support them, and it builds some excitement. BSU struggles with getting the community at large to care about its programs. One way to get some interest is the 'local boy makes good' story. I'm not saying we recruit a guy who can't play just to get the locals to pay attention, but I'm saying the lack of local guys who can play and bring the community to the games isn't helping our cause. We talk about anyone from indiana being local, but how many kids playing high school ball are dreaming of playing for Ball State over IU, Purdue, or Notre Dame? someone made the point about aau and that definitely has a lot to do with how current recruiting works, sure. No Bonzi chose Ball State because he was Ray's nephew and was comfortable with BSU. I think he would have done the same if he was in Indianapolis.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 10, 2019 7:18:29 GMT -6
I think you are intentionally misrepresenting my point. A guy like Bonzi was a big 10 caliber player, who stayed home to play for us. If he was from indianapolis, he wasn't coming to BSU. ....someone made the point about aau and that definitely has a lot to do with how current recruiting works, sure. No Bonzi chose Ball State because he was Ray's nephew and was comfortable with BSU. I think he would have done the same if he was in Indianapolis. I was around then, knew his coach.
Yes. He came here because of family connection to Ray.
Almost committed ND, then. But in today's environment with much more hype and with one and done and with AAU, very unlikely he'd come here. Might still be best for him. But much more so, when 4 year school was the likely route he'd follow. And many other bigger schools would have been all over him.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 10, 2019 7:20:25 GMT -6
I’d love to have some county kids on the team. There just haven’t been any good enough. But ultimately I don’t care where our players come from, and overall it doesn’t matter as long as they are winners. Local flavor is always good but not always possible.
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Post by universityjim on Jan 10, 2019 8:07:50 GMT -6
Boy, this thread has gone off on a tangent. Can someone tell me what the point of this conversation is? Time to move on to OU.
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