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Post by david75bsu on Jan 12, 2019 18:32:33 GMT -6
Drove to Muncie from Goshen, twelve miles from the Michigan line, and saw one of the worst Ball State games ever! Have to agree with almost every comment. What a waste of time. Gunn is playing better, not just throwing up threes, taking it to the hoop, getting fouled, nice to see. KJ has a big weakness, he is NO threat from the three.. Ohio plain wanted this game a lot more than we did. Coaching was non existent. I like Mosses, but his head was not in the game today. Nobody fed Teague. Missed ft, missed 3’s, what the heck. To think, I drove almost three hours, almost getting home to see this shit game. My wife wasn’t happy going to a game with a Winter Storm Watch. She felt sorry for me on the way home - I must be living good.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 12, 2019 18:44:18 GMT -6
It’s why fans don’t come back. Which o’gara pointed out in his article.
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Post by comet on Jan 12, 2019 18:49:34 GMT -6
Agree cardfan. We had them starting to come and then we blow these two home games and it will be difficult to get them coming back again. EMU wasn't quite so bad, but this one was ridiculous and combined it really is going to hurt.
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Post by CallingBS on Jan 12, 2019 18:53:38 GMT -6
Agree cardfan. We had them starting to come and then we blow these two home games and it will be difficult to get them coming back again. EMU wasn't quite so bad, but this one was ridiculous and combined it really is going to hurt. Typical BSU for the past 17 years now
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Post by comet on Jan 12, 2019 18:58:00 GMT -6
Actually had a better crowd to day than I ever expected considering the weather, but then we sucked.
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Post by rgmillikan on Jan 12, 2019 19:08:38 GMT -6
Why are so many acting surprised? What of Whit's coaching moves in the past ''20 win'' seasons would lead one to believe it would turn out differently? The turds are dropping (as they have in previous years) and now because of a premature extension we might be stuck with him for three more mediocre years. If the AD does not dump him, he will recruit sub-par athletes and leave the campus with NOTHING in the cupboard. ^ smartest post of the week I only know of a few Whitford cheerleaders like 00 in this board. Most people even when winning have at very least been partially skeptical and most disagreed with both extensions hes received. Well the kid in past has been but his passionate post today was justified.
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Post by oldcardfan on Jan 12, 2019 20:50:11 GMT -6
Well, poop.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 12, 2019 21:17:52 GMT -6
now because of a premature extension we might be stuck with him for three more mediocre years. If the AD does not dump him, he will recruit sub-par athletes and leave the campus with NOTHING in the cupboard. I am not happy,nobody should be with bad games. But this is not just overreaction. But a little silly. Let's assume Whitford is here 3 years, why in the hell would he recruit sub-par athletes? He'll want another job!
By an large the criticism of his recruiting has generally been that he doesn't bring in good big men. Not that we have a greatly subpar athleticism overall.
I see 3 red shirt recruits who are actually good athletes. Next class Bumbalough and Kroft may not be exceptional athletes at the college level, but they don't look sub-par either. Hazen, KJ who were the in the class signed last year are good athletes. Even the maligned Huggins is a pretty good athlete at his size.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 22:18:17 GMT -6
I am not happy,nobody should be with bad games. But this is not just overreaction. But a little silly. Let's assume Whitford is here 3 years, why in the hell would he recruit sub-par athletes? He'll want another job!
By an large the criticism of his recruiting has generally been that he doesn't bring in good big men. Not that we have a greatly subpar athleticism overall.
I see 3 red shirt recruits who are actually good athletes. Next class Bumbalough and Kroft may not be exceptional athletes at the college level, but they don't look sub-par either. Hazen, KJ who were the in the class signed last year are good athletes. Even the maligned Huggins is a pretty good athlete at his size.
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 13, 2019 0:05:03 GMT -6
now because of a premature extension we might be stuck with him for three more mediocre years. If the AD does not dump him, he will recruit sub-par athletes and leave the campus with NOTHING in the cupboard. I am not happy,nobody should be with bad games. But this is not just overreaction. But a little silly. Let's assume Whitford is here 3 years, why in the hell would he recruit sub-par athletes? He'll want another job!
By an large the criticism of his recruiting has generally been that he doesn't bring in good big men. Not that we have a greatly subpar athleticism overall.
I see 3 red shirt recruits who are actually good athletes. Next class Bumbalough and Kroft may not be exceptional athletes at the college level, but they don't look sub-par either. Hazen, KJ who were the in the class signed last year are good athletes. Even the maligned Huggins is a pretty good athlete at his size.
But will he be able to realize their potential? Intermittently we see a good game or two, then a lapse into something abysmal like the last two games. This normally doesn't happen until February and March. Then the season is over and we don't have to suffer through it anymore. This season has the potential for an extra month of suffering. Look at the upcoming next 5 games; road games at Bowling Green, Central Michigan, home against Miami, road games at Ohio again and then Buffalo. We always seem to have trouble with Miami (Ohio). We could be looking at a 1-7 record at the beginning of February.
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Post by sweep on Jan 13, 2019 5:21:17 GMT -6
now because of a premature extension we might be stuck with him for three more mediocre years. If the AD does not dump him, he will recruit sub-par athletes and leave the campus with NOTHING in the cupboard. I am not happy,nobody should be with bad games. But this is not just overreaction. But a little silly. Let's assume Whitford is here 3 years, why in the hell would he recruit sub-par athletes? So in your dream world he will suddenly start constructing a winning roster ? I would assume by "sub -par athletes" bsu0 means the wrong skill sets. Even to your point, compared to all DI players we only have one really top athlete and he can't dribble or shoot for a 6' 3" guy. Maybe Acree will fit the bill, if he ever sees the floor.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 13, 2019 6:02:50 GMT -6
I am not happy,nobody should be with bad games. But this is not just overreaction. But a little silly. Let's assume Whitford is here 3 years, why in the hell would he recruit sub-par athletes? So in your dream world he will suddenly start constructing a winning roster ? I would assume by "sub -par athletes" bsu0 means the wrong skill sets. Even to your point, compared to all DI players we only have one really top athlete and he can't dribble or shoot for a 6' 3" guy. Maybe Acree will fit the bill, if he ever sees the floor. C'mom, we're far from the "empty cupboard" territory bs0 suggested. And of course you fall into the same exaggeration. We are actually winning. And you're exaggerating about top athletes, even while his complaint was about subpar athletes. Acree, Thomas, KJ, Teague, are top athletes. Others on the roster are at least average if not above. We're not now subpar. Let's not go hyperbolic. We have complaints about 2 losses. Not the one bsu0 raises.
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Post by sweep on Jan 13, 2019 6:19:51 GMT -6
So in your dream world he will suddenly start constructing a winning roster ? I would assume by "sub -par athletes" bsu0 means the wrong skill sets. Even to your point, compared to all DI players we only have one really top athlete and he can't dribble or shoot for a 6' 3" guy. Maybe Acree will fit the bill, if he ever sees the floor. C'mom, we're far from the "empty cupboard" territory bs0 suggested. And of course you fall into the same exaggeration. We are actually winning. And you're exaggerating about top athletes, even while his complaint was about subpar athletes. Acree, Thomas, KJ, Teague, are top athletes. Others on the roster are at least average if not above. We're not now subpar. Let's not go hyperbolic. We have complaints about 2 losses. Not the one bsu0 raises. You have never even seen Acree or Thomas in a game, and Teague is not a top-notch athlete by DI standards. KJ wasn't recruited out of High School to be 6' 3" wing, the fact is he never developed the handles to play the point. If you look at basketball skills we are wanting in many areas. Every year you tell us all how much the new guys will help, and it never happens. Whitford's first recruiting class was solid, since then he has done a lousy job.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 13, 2019 7:46:30 GMT -6
For the record, I don’t think our players or coaches are pathetic. We are a better than average team filled with quality kids and some pretty decent players, a few of which can light it up on given nights. Our staff are good guys. Our head coach is a bit eccentric and stubborn, IMO, but cares about our program and players. He and all of the above are likely not going to embarrass our program or do something stupid unless you count what we saw yesterday. But we have peaked as a program under Whit, IMO. We are competitive and an upper tier (top 6?) team in the league. I just don’t see the talent, attitude and coaching to get beyond where we are. He recruits a certain kind of player for his process and we are what we are. Not much more.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 13, 2019 8:00:03 GMT -6
C'mom, we're far from the "empty cupboard" territory bs0 suggested. And of course you fall into the same exaggeration. We are actually winning. And you're exaggerating about top athletes, even while his complaint was about subpar athletes. Acree, Thomas, KJ, Teague, are top athletes. Others on the roster are at least average if not above. We're not now subpar. Let's not go hyperbolic. We have complaints about 2 losses. Not the one bsu0 raises. You have never even seen Acree or Thomas in a game, and Teague is not a top-notch athlete by DI standards. KJ wasn't recruited out of High School to be 6' 3" wing, the fact is he never developed the handles to play the point. If you look at basketball skills we are wanting in many areas. Every year you tell us all how much the new guys will help, and it never happens. Whitford's first recruiting class was solid, since then he has done a lousy job. Just not true. Not every recruit helps, but it's just silly to say "it never happens."
New guys, even with one out injured, have helped this year. KJ has outperformed your predictions. We have added good players with every class.
I don't understand how we are a better team over his tenure if the first class, now graduated, was the only class that wasn't "lousy." The more you talk, the better I think our recruiting must have been.
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