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Post by cardfan on Jan 16, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -6
It’s not this loss in particular. We did play better and had a chance to win. Rather, it’s a subset of yet another losing streak during which the same ol symptoms of carelessness, sloppy play, and galling lack of effort once again rear their ugly heads. It’s not one loss, it’s 3, including two at home. It’s the predictability of what the coach will say. It’s the predictably if his teams doing it every year. The only variation is when it happens. But we can always count on it. That’s the biggest thing for me and not just the loss last night. Especially with a team that two weeks ago looked like the second best in the league.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 16, 2019 10:18:14 GMT -6
Don't see where anyone suggested he should be fired today. I wasn't saying they did. I was asking if they thought it would. Surely there is some productive purpose to all this bitching and moaning. At minimum we’re getting to vent about our team losing 3 straight Mac games and getting that off our chests.
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Post by sweep on Jan 16, 2019 10:32:25 GMT -6
Don't see where anyone suggested he should be fired today. I wasn't saying they did. I was asking if they thought it would. Surely there is some productive purpose to all this bitching and moaning. Well as fans that's all we can do. What's never productive, in any endeavor, is sitting back and just accepting results, especially in a bottom line business like coaching.
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Jan 16, 2019 10:46:32 GMT -6
Post by cbcjanney on Jan 16, 2019 10:46:32 GMT -6
First off, let me say I hate BSU not being a championship-contention team in all sports, and I'm not fond of Whit's public comments regarding process/results. If managed correctly, we should have had more wins & trophies over the last decade+ than we have. However sometimes it helps me reduce my misery to go back to historical results and see that other basketball fan bases share our experience. Just for fun, here's a snapshot of the 1990 NCAA basketball tourney, of course the last time we were that high on the hill.
#1 seeds included Connecticut, Oklahoma, & UNLV....(occasional glory since then but 2 of the 3 have really been on hard times the last few years) #3-4 seeds included Georgetown, Missouri, LaSalle, Arkansas, & Georgia Tech (not much glory here in this group over the last 20 years) #5-6 seeds included Illinois, LSU, Oregon St, Minnesota, St.John's, & New Mexico St (again, not sure any of this group has matched their 1990 status since) The Sweet Sixteen of course included BSU, along with Texas, Loyola Marymount, and Alabama (probably the high point for all) The four #9 seeds (yikes what a group in today's game...) were California, Missouri State, Providence, & Cal-Santa Barbara #10-11 seeds included UAB, Colorado St, Temple (amongst John Chaney's good run), and UTEP (amongst Don Haskins good era) - very little heard from since #12-13 seeds included BYU, Princeton (Pete Carril's latter years), East Tennessee St, Idaho, & Southern Mississippi - again very little heard from since
All in all, that's over half of the 1990 bracket that would count that 1990 year as one of the highlights if not thee best season in the last 30 years. We at BSU with a few good teams up at least up through the early 2000's may have had more to cheer about than many to most of them. Many of those fan bases, like us and with good reasoning, can complain about how they couldn't sustain success and/or let opportunity to become an every-year powerhouse slip through their reach. But when you've got now 340 teams challenging for about 20 spots (assuming 20 blue-blood teams are in the top 40-ish nearly every season), things are inevitably cyclical. (though I'd say it's now about time for our turn in the cycle!). Nowhere in this 1990 bracket were Gonzaga, Butler, Cincinnati, or Wichita St which have since become tourney mainstays with often high seeds. Even Kentucky was 14-14 that season and missed the tourney. Also nowhere to be found then were St.Mary's, VCU, George Mason, Northern Iowa, Creighton, or Davidson which all had their moments since then too but have slipped back down the ladder. Nor were most of this year's top-ranked mid-majors Nevada, Buffalo, Wofford, Belmont, or Hofstra. And of course I could name 80 more teams that weren't good then, aren't good now, and haven't been good in-between either.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 16, 2019 10:46:36 GMT -6
I guess I’ll break it down to this: whit is not results based, he’s process and did we play the right way based. Meaning, we could lose 15 games a year but if we played the right way in those 15 losses he’d be happy. I might be a bit extreme there, but it IS how he operates and looks at things. We could never win a championship with him but if he feels we play the right way then cool.
How else can we look so it given that’s been his stated MO? And I don’t think an occasional championship or at least run at a championship is too much to ask. (Does not have to be every year) Or having a team play it’s ass off, win or lose, almost every game, rather than the low energy efforts we see too often.
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Jan 16, 2019 10:54:34 GMT -6
Post by CallingBS on Jan 16, 2019 10:54:34 GMT -6
I wasn't saying they did. I was asking if they thought it would. Surely there is some productive purpose to all this bitching and moaning. At minimum we’re getting to vent about our team losing 3 straight Mac games and getting that off our chests. Exactly. Message boards are largely there to speculate, discuss recruits, analyze what happened in games and over time, assess the state of programs, etc. When your coach is repeatedly clueless and in denial, especially when are chronically terrible on D, our passing is terrible, we hemorrhage the ball to the other team, and absolutely refuse to block out on the defensive end, people are gonna talk on message boards. Good coaches fix these things. Strategic problems with the program, most notably the horrific roster management and game and season adjustment skills exited by Whitford, again are going to stir up constant conversation. Six years in, with his supposed best team, we should not be experiencing 3 losses in a row, especially 2 at home.
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Post by reevo on Jan 16, 2019 11:15:11 GMT -6
I have been biting my tongue or should I say holding back my fingers from typing but I can't take it any longer. The process is about winning. You are paid to win and to win championships. Six years and Buffalo keeps getting better and leaving us behind and he wants to talk about process. You should always play the right way and what I saw last night does not qualify. Offensive rebounding is effort and heart and we got taken to the wood shed. I saw Mallers consistently get beat off the drive from a dude that only had a right hand. He did not overplay nor did he ever go over the top of the screen. I saw late help which resulted in stupid fouls which resulted in BG shooting a crap load of free throws. I saw a team commit 10 more turnovers to assist and Whitford wants to talk about the process and we played the right way. Pure Bull Shit. His buddy down in Bloomington is getting toasted for saying the same shit. I don't usually agree with Dakich but he is dead on his assessment of Archie Miller and you can put Whitford in that same conversation.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 16, 2019 11:54:53 GMT -6
Don't see where anyone suggested he should be fired today. I wasn't saying they did. I was asking if they thought it would. Surely there is some productive purpose to all this bitching and moaning.
Of course there is NOT any productive purpose to all this bitching and moaning. Nor would there be any productive purpose to a bunch of cheerleading and happy talk. Not anymore than there is a productive purpose to riding a roller coaster, or watching your favorite TV show. You might say there is a PRACTICAL purpose in that people can post and visit here as a pastime and get some sort of enjoyment....but nothing is produced. In fact, if you think there will be some productive purpose to posting here, then you will probably ruin the practical purpose for yourself also...because you will get only aggravation, not enjoyment.
And by the way, whatever you do, don't EVER think that your posts will change anyone's mind about anything. They won't. Ever.
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Jan 16, 2019 12:05:09 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jan 16, 2019 12:05:09 GMT -6
. Everybody, including the coaching staff values toughness.
Based on what ? The better question is why you would think the opposite. cardfan had it right, we want more tough than we see. Since most all coaches, fans and teams want that, why on earth do you think different?
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Jan 16, 2019 12:11:54 GMT -6
Post by CallingBS on Jan 16, 2019 12:11:54 GMT -6
I have been biting my tongue or should I say holding back my fingers from typing but I can't take it any longer. The process is about winning. You are paid to win and to win championships. Six years and Buffalo keeps getting better and leaving us behind and he wants to talk about process. You should always play the right way and what I saw last night does not qualify. Offensive rebounding is effort and heart and we got taken to the wood shed. I saw Mallers consistently get beat off the drive from a dude that only had a right hand. He did not overplay nor did he ever go over the top of the screen. I saw late help which resulted in stupid fouls which resulted in BG shooting a crap load of free throws. I saw a team commit 10 more turnovers to assist and Whitford wants to talk about the process and we played the right way. Pure Bull Shit. His buddy down in Bloomington is getting toasted for saying the same shit. I don't usually agree with Dakich but he is dead on his assessment of Archie Miller and you can put Whitford in that same conversation. ^ Truth cerium
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Jan 16, 2019 12:23:13 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jan 16, 2019 12:23:13 GMT -6
It’s not this loss in particular. We did play better and had a chance to win. Rather, it’s a subset of yet another losing streak during which the same ol symptoms of carelessness, sloppy play, and galling lack of effort once again rear their ugly heads. It’s not one loss, it’s 3, including two at home. It’s the predictability of what the coach will say. It’s the predictably if his teams doing it every year. The only variation is when it happens. But we can always count on it. That’s the biggest thing for me and not just the loss last night. Especially with a team that two weeks ago looked like the second best in the league. OK, but you are griping about this game. I agree that because it is part of a 3 game losing streak does make it hurt more.
The emotional response I get. I think you realize every team is going to have a bad games, and most will have bad stretches. Until we are just a little better we don't eliminate the stretches. And until we agree we may even lose multiple games in a row. Whitford says he is worried more about the bad play, less about the losses. I agree there. We were the second best team when we had the whole roster ready, may not be without. We looked better than we were against Toledo, worse than we are against Ohio. That is what Whitford said after Ohio. Accurately.
As far as the emotional ups and downs we suffer I see that even a very slight difference in how we play would mean we could agree to gripe about a bad week last week but would be 2-1 today and probably both be much happier.
I don't really see what you expect the coach to say different, though.
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Jan 16, 2019 12:36:56 GMT -6
Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 16, 2019 12:36:56 GMT -6
Back on the grid.. I expected to come on here and read some crazy bantering. What do I find a bunch of nothing. We have officially accepted the fact that this is just what a lot said it would be just another ho hum season. Its sad but true I don't feel it is ho hum at all. Win or lose it is always exciting. Sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for upsetting reasons. It is what each person makes of it. To say that nobody cares is self absorbed bullshit. I'm sure many have lost interest. To each his own. It's always more fun to follow a winner. As for me and my family we are as excited and engaged as ever. Hell my daughter who is a student at BSU is losing sleep over our current losing streak. Personally I found out a about ten years ago that allowing it to consume me so much was not healthy. Right now our basketball team is enduring a challenging time. Mentally, physically, emotionally. Many of us have been challenged in our lives with difficult times where it seemed nothing was going right. If you have not someday you probably will. I'm sure glad the people who support me didn't give up on me when I went through such times. Self absorbed bullshit? You know as well as I do. My family and I are also at every football/basketball game and as many road games we can make it too. Win or lose we are there and we enjoy spending that time together. Thats does not change the product or the fact that that its the same every year across the board. You jumped on the word Nobody and your right lets just change that to most and move along. The guys posting on this board are the diehards of Bsufans and even most of us have accepted the fact this is just going to be another average season
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Post by cardfan on Jan 16, 2019 12:37:50 GMT -6
I’m not griping about the game. I’m griping about the “we played the right way” so it’s ok attitude from the coach. Don’t say stuff like that after the 3rd loss in a row. Don’t even give the beat writer and fans a reason to say you aren’t results oriented in a results based profession.
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Jan 16, 2019 12:38:53 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Jan 16, 2019 12:38:53 GMT -6
The better question is why you would think the opposite.
Six years of both anecdotal and demonstrated evidence.
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Jan 16, 2019 12:48:41 GMT -6
Post by universityjim on Jan 16, 2019 12:48:41 GMT -6
I don't feel it is ho hum at all. Win or lose it is always exciting. Sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for upsetting reasons. It is what each person makes of it. To say that nobody cares is self absorbed bullshit. I'm sure many have lost interest. To each his own. It's always more fun to follow a winner. As for me and my family we are as excited and engaged as ever. Hell my daughter who is a student at BSU is losing sleep over our current losing streak. Personally I found out a about ten years ago that allowing it to consume me so much was not healthy. Right now our basketball team is enduring a challenging time. Mentally, physically, emotionally. Many of us have been challenged in our lives with difficult times where it seemed nothing was going right. If you have not someday you probably will. I'm sure glad the people who support me didn't give up on me when I went through such times. Self absorbed bullshit? You know as well as I do. My family and I are also at every football/basketball game and as many road games we can make it too. Win or lose we are there and we enjoy spending that time together. Thats does not change the product or the fact that that its the same every year across the board. You jumped on the word Nobody and your right lets just change that to most and move along. The guys posting on this board are the diehards of Bsufans and even most of us have accepted the fact this is just going to be another average season I was not speaking of you and your family on that comment. I'm sorry that you took it that way.
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