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Post by cardfan on Jan 18, 2019 17:54:13 GMT -6
You truly think Whitford is Oats coaching equal?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 17:57:56 GMT -6
I think if Buffalo's Oats had started out the year with our roster and Whitford had started out with the Buffalo roster, the winning coach in 10 days would still be the same. And there ain't no way Buffalo would be ranked right now. Or, I should say there ain't no way the team that currently is the Buffalo roster would be ranked right now. While I really like and support the point you’re making..... I don’t think even Whit has the reins to slow down those Buffalo horses.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 18, 2019 18:29:51 GMT -6
I think if Buffalo's Oats had started out the year with our roster and Whitford had started out with the Buffalo roster, the winning coach in 10 days would still be the same. And there ain't no way Buffalo would be ranked right now. Or, I should say there ain't no way the team that currently is the Buffalo roster would be ranked right now. While I really like and support the point you’re making..... I don’t think even Whit has the reins to slow down those Buffalo horses. But he’d sure give it a helluva try.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 18, 2019 22:12:03 GMT -6
You truly think Whitford is Oats coaching equal? Oats has made good choices recruiting, and his long shot recruits with risks have worked out. Hard to judge X's and O's but we have no particular reason to think he would take BSU's talent and beat Whit with UB's players.
That is my mind doubtful. Both because I think Whitford has been a pretty good coach if not great and because UB really has good talent.
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 18, 2019 23:42:33 GMT -6
The Bob Knight shadow still looms large in the Hoosier state.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 19, 2019 1:42:28 GMT -6
Whatever our roster deficiencies might be with this year's team, it's really more about coaching. The old quip used to be that Bobby Knight could take his team and beat yours. Then he could turn around and take your team and beat his. I'm beginning to feel that way about Whitford ... in reverse. I think if Buffalo's Oats had started out the year with our roster and Whitford had started out with the Buffalo roster, the winning coach in 10 days would still be the same. And there ain't no way Buffalo would be ranked right now. I don't see a lot to justify that.
Wow. I can't believe you feel that way. Just shocking!
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 19, 2019 3:44:03 GMT -6
Oats is not Bob Knight.
And the haters on the site seem to think we have no talent. In fact we are a little short handed right now.
How would Oats work a miracle and best a talented team?
Whitford can't be that bad winning a lot of games this year with a team so many here find so deficient in talent.
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Post by david75bsu on Jan 19, 2019 7:34:08 GMT -6
Oats is not Bob Knight. And the haters on the site seem to think we have no talent. In fact we are a little short handed right now. How would Oats work a miracle and best a talented team? Whitford can't be that bad winning a lot of games this year with a team so many here find so deficient in talent. Have to agree. We do have talent, but two keys to this year are currently unable to play. I would guess we would have been at least 2-1 in the last three games with these two able to play. There are times I question our inability to get a big, or a coaching decision, but in general this team has been fun to watch - exceptions are Alabama, Evansville away, and Ohio at home.
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Post by redbirdman on Jan 19, 2019 8:16:22 GMT -6
I hate to say this but I think the womens coach Brady Sallee does a better job coaching in the games & preparing for the opponents. Check out today's games I think the women are more likely to win at Miami than the men at CMU for that reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 8:48:22 GMT -6
I hate to say this but I think the womens coach Brady Sallee does a better job coaching in the games & preparing for the opponents. Check out today's games I think the women are more likely to win at Miami than the men at CMU for that reason. I’m a big Brady fan (not Hoke) and he would NOT be satisfied with just following the process. I also doubt he would put up with one of his players telling him what to do in game situations. I’m sure he has shortcomings in areas I’m not aware of and he hasn’t won a conference title in MAC or OVC despite glittering regular season conference records over several years.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 19, 2019 9:43:49 GMT -6
Oates has an ncaa tourney win. Whitford has a Mac tourney win. One of those is not like the other. Buffalo is currently ranked in the top 20 and has just one loss. They don’t lose at home. We have lost 3 straight to teams we should just beat if we’re that good and that we’ll coached. Two reserves don’t make THAT much difference. Bet Oates wins those 3 games. We find excuses, they find wins. And his team would not have forgotten ou was on the schedule and we had a game to play that day. (And Toledo beat Ohio 75-52 last night)
And if you say it’s because Oates has better talent, why is that? Who recruited it? Who prepares that talent to play and play well and win every single game while our our guy is content that we “played the right way” win or lose. But, it’s all because we’re short two guys on the bench. We have another convenient excuse for underachieving yet again this year. I mean, we have all that talent and we’re so well coached.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 19, 2019 9:58:04 GMT -6
Oates has an ncaa tourney win. Whitford has a Mac tourney win....And if you say it’s because Oates has better talent, why is that? Who recruited it? .... What I objected to was not so much who is the better coach, but the exaggeration of any difference.
Oats, assuming you give him credit for his talent working so well, and he deserves all the credit for that as recruiter, may or may not be better at other aspects of the game. But, assuming he is better, how much?
And good enough to take BSU and beat UB with Whit coaching. That is not at all something I buy.
We have good talent, have played up to potential not often to make me happy. VERY few coaches with very few rosters do that all the time. I'll give Oats full credit for doing that in most games this year. He knows his players well, and I think he'll get his chance at a better school after this year. We may have seen a very good coach prove himself. We'll see soon enough.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 19, 2019 10:01:54 GMT -6
One of my favorite things about some of our current threads is how we're all about missing Ish and Hazen and how we need more from Kyle Mallers.
C'mon guys, these are our excuses? We need frickin' Kyle Mallers to play better? Kyle Mallers who probably never projected to be more than a role player on a good team?
Sure, we've got potential MAC first-teamers in Moses and Persons and Walton (BMOC from the SEC) and Teague, but we NEED frickin' Kyle Mallers to play better.
Holy crap. How about getting someone to get the first four to play at that all-MAC level before we start bitching about what the next 3 can't do.
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Post by rgmillikan on Jan 19, 2019 10:02:33 GMT -6
Clearly Buffalo is more talented and Oats is the best coach in the MAC. Would bsu beat buffalo with a coaching switcharoo assuming both rosters are the same? I can't say that would happen.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 19, 2019 10:07:14 GMT -6
How about getting someone to get the first four to play at that all-MAC level before we start bitching about what the next 3 can't do. Very good point. We have looked bad when they don't and the other team plays well. They have to play very well for us to beat teams that that may be below us but have more depth or play well.
Also, the really good teams, which is what everyone is using as a standard match our starters and have more depth.
As it is, we are seeing teams beat us often enough where a player who isn't usually as good as our starter opposing him has a big game. We lose.
I don't see Gunn, Josh or Nehls able to do that. Hazen and Ish have the talent to step in and give us a real boost, we win 2 of these last 3 games if they are available. Have a chance one of them really steps up and we compete in a game where we are blown out.
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