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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 26, 2019 8:39:12 GMT -6
With a limit of 13 scholarships, and 3 redshirts, can you afford:
-a long-shot project who received almost no other D1 interest? -a transfer with a history of back injury? -a transfer who is a very limited role player?
Well you can probably afford one, or maybe even trust your luck and have two of those. If you use scholarships on all three, plus the redshirts, you can't afford even an typical amount of injuries.
The amount of injuries BSU has had is not at all out of the ordinary. BSU has even been somewhat lucky in having no starters losing significant time in the conf season.
I already know for certain that the apologists will call this failed season the "injury season". We'll be hearing this for years to come. They always have some excuse, you know.
It's not accurate to say Whitford was unlucky this year. It's more accurate to say he didn't get lucky.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 26, 2019 8:55:11 GMT -6
I am going out on a limb and predicting a 1,500+ character, 4 paragraph reply from a certain poster. That’s the under.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2019 9:14:13 GMT -6
With a limit of 13 scholarships and 3 redshirts, can you afford: -a long-shot project who received almost no other D1 interest? -a transfer with a history of back injury? -a transfer who is a very limited role player? Well you can probably afford one, or maybe even trust your luck and have two of those. If you use scholarships on all three, plus the redshirts, you can't afford even an typical amount of injuries. The amount of injuries BSU has had is not at all out of the ordinary. BSU has even been somewhat lucky in having no starters losing significant time in the conf season. I already know for certain that the apologists will call this failed season the "injury season". We'll be hearing this for years to come. They always have some excuse, you know. It's not accurate to say Whitford was unlucky this year. It's more accurate to say he didn't get lucky. We seem to agree that recruiting choices are often gambles.
But, the 3 cases don't look nearly so risky as you seem to think. He was unlucky. Even if each risk was a 1 in 3 chance to do significantly better this year. Odds are at least one would have paid off. As it is that is still possible.
In fact he made three more gambling choices, recruiting a good R/S transfer in Thomas, an academic risk in Acree, and a good all around player in Coleman (or perhaps the decision to red shirt him, made at a time the other gambles were working out quite well enough with Ish and Hazen healthy).
I like those risks, although it makes Whitford look like a riverboat gambler to make so many bets, but I prefer that to the play it safe recruiting we have often seen in BSU sports (notably Lembo in football).
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2019 9:16:11 GMT -6
I am going out on a limb and predicting a 1,500+ character, 4 paragraph reply from a certain poster. That’s the under. No. Two shorter posts for those with short attention span.
Let's look at the 3 bets he made. How outrageous was each?
Everyone agrees we need some size on the roster as Trey graduates. We can argue that there MUST have been a better big man, but the more accurate statement is that when we missed out on the better big men, we did take a risk. I am not aware of another good big man available for us to choose. Plus, we have a project which provides some athletic ability to work with. We may yet "win" that gamble.
In the case of the role player transfer I think we may have had a wider range of choices, even holding the scholarship, but OTOH the risk cost us only one year of scholarship, and I am not sure we'd have necessarily found a player who was going to produce more this year. The role player was a cheap gamble without that much downside.
As for Hazen, the chance to grab a high return player whose injury had not recurred seems again a very good gamble to me.
You are after all looking at 3 gambles and right at the moment he lost on all 3. The odds of of success with at least one was something like 70%.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 26, 2019 9:17:59 GMT -6
Unforeseen. Playing well before injuries. Mac schools/mid majors/bsu can’t recruit bigs who are ready to contribute. Every team we’ve lost to is better than you think. Luck. Bad luck. Just missed a couple of free throws/shots or it’s a different story. Guys are tired already in January. good gambles. Bad gambles. Fans complain we don’t gamble enough to get good players/gamble too often and fail. Etc etc etc.
(I personally continue to question our strength and conditioning program. Full roster or not we continue to run out of gas when other teams don’t. Like late in the year. Just earlier this year)
Edit: He beat me to it. Like the gambles part. Didn’t think he could shoot off that much that quick. 😉
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2019 9:19:21 GMT -6
I am going out on a limb and predicting a 1,500+ character, 4 paragraph reply from a certain poster. That’s the under. Short answer for halftime. A long tweet here.
Whit is unlucky to have two injuries in the top 7 in his rotation. Mildly unlucky that a player like Gunn, or Josh, or Nehls, or Huggins none have stepped up big. If we want him to be lucky we would have liked to see him win some of the long shot recruiting targets where we have just missed.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 26, 2019 9:23:23 GMT -6
Damn I should have known he would split War & Peace into two volumes!
Furthermore, blah and blah for that matter.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2019 9:28:16 GMT -6
Unforeseen. Playing well before injuries. Mac schools/mid majors/bsu can’t recruit bigs who are ready to contribute. Every team we’ve lost to is better than you think. Luck. Bad luck. Just missed a couple of free throws/shots or it’s a different story. Guys are tired already in January. good gambles. Bad gambles. Fans complain we don’t gamble enough to get good players/gamble too often and fail. Etc etc etc. (I personally continue to question our strength and conditioning program. Full roster or not we continue to run out of gas when other teams don’t. Like late in the year. Just earlier this year) I think I said the first part better. But agree it is fair to question our support for all our teams in the weight room.
Although the nature of the injuries do not appear to be the type where strength and conditioning were big issues, the running out of gas raises a good point.
If we are going to play with an 8 man rotation, and take the risk we have to play with only 6 or 7 because we are red shirt heavy, we better be lucky with injury or extremely well conditioned.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2019 9:29:18 GMT -6
Damn I should have known he would split War & Peace into two volumes! Furthermore, blah and blah for that matter. You could always just go for the tweet length version for halftime.
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Post by sweep on Jan 26, 2019 9:39:11 GMT -6
With a limit of 13 scholarships and 3 redshirts, can you afford: -a long-shot project who received almost no other D1 interest? -a transfer with a history of back injury? -a transfer who is a very limited role player? Well you can probably afford one, or maybe even trust your luck and have two of those. If you use scholarships on all three, plus the redshirts, you can't afford even an typical amount of injuries. The amount of injuries BSU has had is not at all out of the ordinary. BSU has even been somewhat lucky in having no starters losing significant time in the conf season. I already know for certain that the apologists will call this failed season the "injury season". We'll be hearing this for years to come. They always have some excuse, you know. It's not accurate to say Whitford was unlucky this year. It's more accurate to say he didn't get lucky. We seem to agree that recruiting choices are often gambles.
But, the 3 cases don't look nearly so risky as you seem to think. He was unlucky. Even if each risk was a 1 in 3 chance to do significantly better this year. Odds are at least one would have paid off. As it is that is still possible.
In fact he made three more gambling choices, recruiting a good R/S transfer in Thomas, an academic risk in Acree, and a good all around player in Coleman (or perhaps the decision to red shirt him, made at a time the other gambles were working out quite well enough with Ish and Hazen healthy).
I like those risks, although it makes Whitford look like a riverboat gambler to make so many bets, but I prefer that to the play it safe recruiting we have often seen in BSU sports (notably Lembo in football).
Oh please Ish can't even handle the position he was recruited to play and Coleman isn't in a any way a "good all around player". You posted the exact same nonsense about Zach Gunn.
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Post by sweep on Jan 26, 2019 9:50:42 GMT -6
I am going out on a limb and predicting a 1,500+ character, 4 paragraph reply from a certain poster. That’s the under. Mildly unlucky that a player like Gunn, or Josh, or Nehls, or Huggins none have stepped up big.
If we want him to be lucky we would have liked to see him win some of the long shot recruiting targets where we have just missed. Talent evaluation is a skill you dumbf--k and Whitford stinks at it.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2019 9:52:04 GMT -6
We seem to agree that recruiting choices are often gambles.
But, the 3 cases don't look nearly so risky as you seem to think. He was unlucky. Even if each risk was a 1 in 3 chance to do significantly better this year. Odds are at least one would have paid off. As it is that is still possible.
Oh please Ish can't even handle the position he was recruited to play and Coleman isn't in a any way a "good all around player". We'll debate both for a while I think. Whitford had to make a close decision to red shirt him.
Ish was looking a lot better before the injury. He'll be fine.
Coleman, you don't like, but he was a good HS player, has size, is versatile, a smart player. You need that on a team. Maybe you may expect to be blown away by a player recruit, and I suppose he may not be outstanding at the college level in any single offensive category to do that much for yuu. Except intelligence and decision making where I think he'll be very good. You underestimate the value there. Big guard, good handle for his size, or small forward, we can use that.
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Post by sweep on Jan 26, 2019 10:03:10 GMT -6
Oh please Ish can't even handle the position he was recruited to play and Coleman isn't in a any way a "good all around player". We'll debate both for a while I think. Whitford had to make a close decision to red shirt him.
Ish was looking a lot better before the injury. He'll be fine.
Coleman, you don't like, but he was a good HS player, has size, is versatile, a smart player. You need that on a team. Maybe you may expect to be blown away by a player recruit, and I suppose he may not be outstanding at the college level in any single offensive category to do that much for yuu. Except intelligence and decision making where I think he'll be very good. You underestimate the value there. Big guard, good handle for his size, or small forward, we can use that.
Ish wasn't looking better when he tried to play the point, he was flat-out lost. Coleman is a smaller version of Zach Gunn and an even worse shooter. There is no way he can play an effective 3 in college and he is completely redundant with half a dozen other guys on this roster.
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Post by rgmillikan on Jan 26, 2019 10:18:05 GMT -6
With a limit of 13 scholarships, and 3 redshirts, can you afford: -a long-shot project who received almost no other D1 interest? -a transfer with a history of back injury? -a transfer who is a very limited role player? Well you can probably afford one, or maybe even trust your luck and have two of those. If you use scholarships on all three, plus the redshirts, you can't afford even an typical amount of injuries. The amount of injuries BSU has had is not at all out of the ordinary. BSU has even been somewhat lucky in having no starters losing significant time in the conf season. I already know for certain that the apologists will call this failed season the "injury season". We'll be hearing this for years to come. They always have some excuse, you know. It's not accurate to say Whitford was unlucky this year. It's more accurate to say he didn't get lucky. I agree, depth injuries to reserves I would gander are quite common. The ones that kill a season are season ending to a first/second option. If this team goes 8-10/9-9 injuries are simply a pathetic excuse for the small number of Whitford cheerleaders left. Even thebsukid is growing skeptical.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 26, 2019 10:30:37 GMT -6
Injuries and bad recruiting aside, Whitford can’t even get his guys to play smart and with intensity on a consistent basis. Can’t even get em to wake from their slumber for home games. That ya me is as big an issue as anything. A good coach can take even a really bad roster and at least extract sound fundamentals and energy.
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