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Post by thebsukid on Nov 14, 2015 13:21:26 GMT -6
Sure....$200 per hour....just not letting you up when you are incorrect but pretend not to be...I'm over grammar
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Post by cardfan on Nov 14, 2015 13:24:43 GMT -6
The sentence was about the point, not the facts. The point is singular. The word is goes with the word point. It would be incorrect to say "I don't know what the point are."
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Post by universityjim on Nov 14, 2015 13:45:59 GMT -6
I want to make one additional point...I agree that we should have beaten Bradley mainly because we were up 8 late. But, to simply say their roster is in a terrible state is wrong...for example, Davante Cooper at 6'10 was offered a full ride to Tulane and Tennessee...not to shabby!! And, Luuk Van Bree, who killed us with 3's played on his national team and in the CBA!!!!!! And, Ogunleye has tremendous International experience playing on a national team...and it showed!! Barker, who had a good game at 6'9 played on Team Asia Pacific and Prep school.... The list goes on but just because their educational experience says Bradley was starting 5 Freshman don't assume that makes their basketball experience the same...not so...how many people that ranked them pre-season do you think knew these details? ? And, just because Bradley's rating early is low does not mean thats where they'll end up.. I agree with this and was going to make a similar post. Bradley could end up being pretty good this year.
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 14, 2015 13:49:06 GMT -6
Amen....University Jim. The early ranking are misleading as they had some good players...
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 14, 2015 14:13:03 GMT -6
Re: Teague
In some article or video, Whitford was asked about redshirts this year and I believe he said a decision would be made before Friday's game. Well, he wasn't talking about Moses or Weber. The only other candidate is Teague.
If the redshirt would be medically related, that would be disappointing but understandable. If he physically can't function because of a medical condition/injury, he can't function.
If it is just related to his inability to play/contribute, this is hugely disappointing to me. One, it says he's not the recruit many thought he was because a recruit at that level would have no trouble making considerable contributions on this team. A legit 3 or 4 star high school recruit should come in and play at or above the level of Sellers, not below.
Actually, I would be somewhat more comfortable with his not playing last night if it was academically related. Obviously, I want him to be able to do the work to remain eligible. But, Whitford took a lot of heat last year on these boards for the Tyler situation. So, if the coach is seeing some of the same habits in another freshmen, I don't have a problem with him sending an early message (although it's pretty late in the semester to be trying to salvage grades).
Re: The quality of Bradley's freshmen
Kid, I love your enthusiasm but I think the reality is that if you were a Bradley fan and Bradley had lost last night, you wouldn't be talking about their national and international experience; you'd be talking about how they are all freshmen and think of how good we'll be in two months or next year.
Even if you somehow did say they're more advanced basketball-wise than their academic standing, you'd then be talking about how they hadn't played together and think of how good we'll be after the holidays.
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 14, 2015 14:22:17 GMT -6
I want to make one additional point...I agree that we should have beaten Bradley mainly because we were up 8 late. But, to simply say their roster is in a terrible state is wrong...for example, Davante Cooper at 6'10 was offered a full ride to Tulane and Tennessee...not to shabby!! And, Luuk Van Bree, who killed us with 3's played on his national team and in the CBA!!!!!! And, Ogunleye has tremendous International experience playing on a national team...and it showed!! Barker, who had a good game at 6'9 played on Team Asia Pacific and Prep school.... The list goes on but just because their educational experience says Bradley was starting 5 Freshman don't assume that makes their basketball experience the same...not so...how many people that ranked them pre-season do you think knew these details? ? And, just because Bradley's rating early is low does not mean thats where they'll end up.. I agree with this and was going to make a similar post. Bradley could end up being pretty good this year. Sure, it's possible but let's then consider the other side of this. If Bradley is pretty good this year, what does that mean? That means that in one summer, they have hired a new coach, had an almost complete turnover of their roster, and fielded a team of that, in its first game, beat the Cardinals, whose fans have been somewhat patiently waiting for a rebuilding project now entering Year 3. In one summer, Bradley has accomplished more than Ball State has in a couple of years. Doesn't exactly speak well for the program.
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Post by redbirdman on Nov 14, 2015 14:24:46 GMT -6
BSU basketball is BAD. While I hope Weber is better than anyone we played last night even with him this team will lose 20 again. Whitford is no coach at best a recruiter. He is gone unless it costs us over $500,000.00 to pay him off.
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 14, 2015 14:28:39 GMT -6
I agree that the Coach at Bradley has done a very good job recruiting. Let's remember that at home we likely win the game.
I was simply trying to say that' Bradley's Freshman academically are not that from an experience and BB IQ point of view which likely most wouldn't know unless they had researched.
I'm sure hoping we play better Monday not sure we could play worse.
I disagree Whit is gone...I believe they will give him the opportunity to see what he can do with the Freshmen and Sophomores he's recruited. At least two more seasons.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 14, 2015 14:50:17 GMT -6
Exactly. In a dozen years of pissing around on these boards, I don't know if I've ever seen a post I agree with more.
I was meaning to remark earlier that Kid listing all the nice young talent Bradley's coach has been able to recruit did not make me feel any better...it made me feel worse. That's actually one of the most depression aspects of the game.
This was the whole theme of my "Patience Schmatience" thread. Good coaches rarely waste any time in demonstrating their quality. No doubt, Bradley will have its struggles this year, playing all that youth, but it seems like their guy may have already passed by Whitford, despite Whitford's two year head start. Which team can be expected to progress more over the course of the season? The team playing a bunch of freshman or the team mostly playing the same players as last year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 15:04:44 GMT -6
I want to make one additional point...I agree that we should have beaten Bradley mainly because we were up 8 late. But, to simply say their roster is in a terrible state is wrong...for example, Davante Cooper at 6'10 was offered a full ride to Tulane and Tennessee...not to shabby!! And, Luuk Van Bree, who killed us with 3's played on his national team and in the CBA!!!!!! And, Ogunleye has tremendous International experience playing on a national team...and it showed!! Barker, who had a good game at 6'9 played on Team Asia Pacific and Prep school.... The list goes on but just because their educational experience says Bradley was starting 5 Freshman don't assume that makes their basketball experience the same...not so...how many people that ranked them pre-season do you think knew these details? ? And, just because Bradley's rating early is low does not mean thats where they'll end up.. I agree with this and was going to make a similar post. Bradley could end up being pretty good this year. Okay except almost nothing in the kids post is accurate.
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Post by bsu0 on Nov 14, 2015 15:13:07 GMT -6
Gentlemen, Let's all take a DEEP breath and exhale. IF the new recruits will help us out of this funk it will be a year or two. It is not going to happen this year. Did you really think this group coming in was Lou Alcindor, Lucius Allen and Lynn Shackleford.? For the group born after 1965 probably the greatest freshmen team ever recruited. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN THIS YEAR.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 14, 2015 15:24:14 GMT -6
Or last year. Or the year before, or..
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 14, 2015 15:29:05 GMT -6
Halftime what's not accurate re Bradley's recruits?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 17:11:24 GMT -6
Gentlemen, Let's all take a DEEP breath and exhale. IF the new recruits will help us out of this funk it will be a year or two. It is not going to happen this year. Did you really think this group coming in was Lou Alcindor, Lucius Allen and Lynn Shackleford.? For the group born after 1965 probably the greatest freshmen team ever recruited. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN THIS YEAR. Well....they did say that Taylor dug such a deep hole that it would take 3-5 years to see improvement.......or was that Thompson?.......maybe it was Stan Parrish?.....now I'm confused.....
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 14, 2015 18:14:04 GMT -6
What!? Richardson was Whits very First commit. He wasn't some April after thought. No. And, Whitford had a good class, there. Davis was a transfer coming in, Sellers, Tyler, Kiapway, Richardson, who was athletically talented but known to be a project and most expected to be red shirt' Also, Gill who was a bit of a last minute addition when the primary big man target went elsewhere. First to commit or not, press releases by the player saying he thought he would contribute right away or not, he was a long shot to contribute until this year at the earliest, and to some extent he was recruited over with signing Teague. The red shirt year still meant he was not going to play a lot this year, he could use JUCO classes to get ahead, and the JUCO route allowed him to play 4 years of college basketball. I am not sure this means he was a bad recruit at all. The reasons I cited that he is not the same calibre of recruit as Teague hold up. However promising he was, by comparison his AAU and HS record is not as good. He played limited minutes behind a very good player at Tech, was not the player Teague was. In any case, let's wait until we know something more before we decide anything.
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