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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 13, 2020 14:51:22 GMT -6
I do not let the extra curricular stuff bother me. I just watch the games.. I do not enjoy the NFl nearly as much as the college game but all the violent criminals in the NFL played in the ncaa as well. So Im not sure that argument really works
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Post by bsutony on Sept 13, 2020 15:15:58 GMT -6
I do not let the extra curricular stuff bother me. I just watch the games.. I do not enjoy the NFl nearly as much as the college game but all the violent criminals in the NFL played in the ncaa as well. So Im not sure that argument really works I’m talking about them honoring Floyd and Blake, both awful humans. I usually don’t let the extra stuff get to me, but I can only take so much. |
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Sept 13, 2020 18:56:42 GMT -6
Never been a Rivers fan. Not been a winner I’m my opinion......... Deja vu all over again. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 13, 2020 20:13:05 GMT -6
I do not let the extra curricular stuff bother me. I just watch the games.. I do not enjoy the NFl nearly as much as the college game but all the violent criminals in the NFL played in the ncaa as well. So Im not sure that argument really works I’m talking about them honoring Floyd and Blake, both awful humans. I usually don’t let the extra stuff get to me, but I can only take so much. Its not just the NFL though its everything and every sport.. You mention not supporting the NFL thats fine but what about BSU.. Its the entire Ncaa as well its easy to say Im not going to watch the NFL.. People have been saying that since Kapernick but there was never a significant change in the numbers. The real change came from people realizing its just easier and nicer to watch from home. Not watching is your choice and maybe you stick by words and never watch the NFL or NCAA football again but those statements normally only last most people a few weeks and they are back watching again. And by the way I get your point as well. I will never say I agree with the looting, lawlessness occupied zones etc but I think the peaceful protests that also happened across the United states were/are fine and do raise awareness |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 13, 2020 20:39:37 GMT -6
I agree with the sentiment that black lives matter (as all people of any color should be treated equally), but wholeheartedly disagree with the Marxist organization called Black Lives Matter.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Sept 13, 2020 22:11:58 GMT -6
Matt Eberflus' defense has been atrocious for years. It might be time to question Frank Reich as a head coach as well. I've liked the majority of the moves Chris Ballard has made, but while I like them, the results on the field simply haven't been there. I really hate to agree with/regurgitate Dan Jockitch's talking points, but say what you will about Ryan Grigson being a complete d-bag, his teams won more than they lost, and he either had a winning record or a .500 record with Luck out (I can't remember).
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Post by bsutony on Sept 15, 2020 11:13:44 GMT -6
I’m talking about them honoring Floyd and Blake, both awful humans. I usually don’t let the extra stuff get to me, but I can only take so much. Its not just the NFL though its everything and every sport.. You mention not supporting the NFL thats fine but what about BSU.. Its the entire Ncaa as well its easy to say Im not going to watch the NFL.. People have been saying that since Kapernick but there was never a significant change in the numbers. The real change came from people realizing its just easier and nicer to watch from home. Not watching is your choice and maybe you stick by words and never watch the NFL or NCAA football again but those statements normally only last most people a few weeks and they are back watching again. And by the way I get your point as well. I will never say I agree with the looting, lawlessness occupied zones etc but I think the peaceful protests that also happened across the United states were/are fine and do raise awareness I will still support BSU, but if they start putting criminals’ names on helmets like the NFL I’m out. It seems like our world is upside down right now. I wish people would use some common sense and not just believe all the sjw propaganda blindly. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 15, 2020 12:14:41 GMT -6
I hear ya man.. I just try and look past it if its something I dont agree with. The world is crazy right now
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 15, 2020 13:09:39 GMT -6
I do not let the extra curricular stuff bother me. I just watch the games.. I do not enjoy the NFl nearly as much as the college game but all the violent criminals in the NFL played in the ncaa as well. So Im not sure that argument really works I’m talking about them honoring Floyd and Blake, both awful humans. I usually don’t let the extra stuff get to me, but I can only take so much. I don't think using their names is intended to honor the individuals as model human beings, but rather as human beings with rights that were violated.
Both were killed as a result of excessive police violence with apparent racist element.
There certainly are millions of black and white Americans who believe that racist violence in policing is real, and I doubt anyone thinks the individuals are being honored.
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 15, 2020 14:28:45 GMT -6
By the way, what was the "apparent racist element" you see when watching the video of the two incidents? |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 15, 2020 17:09:23 GMT -6
By the way, what was the "apparent racist element" you see when watching the video of the two incidents? Perhaps black men experiencing excessive violence at hands of white officers has no racial overtones to you. No history. Black Americans see it as part of history, A real pattern. Present reality. Not just apparent racism. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 15, 2020 17:23:50 GMT -6
Funny, with all that weight of racism, that black men's' troubles with police are only statistically proportional to their involvement in crime.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 15, 2020 18:16:32 GMT -6
Funny, with all that weight of racism, that black men's' troubles with police are only statistically proportional to their involvement in crime. I agree that it is in fact hard to analyze racism in police work. You are not the only one who responds in the same way, I admit.
it may not be Simpson's paradox. After all, I admit I haven't seen the literature you rely on that defines "black men's problems with police" and don't know exactly what variable you are using to measure "involvement in crime." Neither are commonly used in the data sets I have seen.
If there is anything to these opinions, then I suspect whatever variables you are referring to should be questioned.
I am going to assume you do not really believe there is no impact at all of that weight of racism.
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 15, 2020 18:54:52 GMT -6
There is an huge impact of systematic societal racism in college admissions standards and affirmative action hiring, which give an absolutely enormous advantage to privileged groups at two of the most decisive points in life, and have been for decades now.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 15, 2020 21:26:36 GMT -6
Apparently not huge enough to produce anything like a leveling of the playing field in many areas. www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6Look at health, income, and wealth, home ownership and other measures of quality of life. Much of this is the relationship of race and poverty. Poverty influenced by history. It's not yours or my overt racism, it's systemic racism. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racismIf your point is that police violence is offset by economic benefits, it's a weak argument. If it's that there's racism in other areas and we're doing better in all, I agree. But it's not a problem solved in any area. Except maybe in sports. Except in the coaching and front office ranks. |
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