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Oct 3, 2020 11:59:51 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Oct 3, 2020 11:59:51 GMT -6
"So, you think because we are a violent society with too much crime, somehow it's OK for police who are supposed to be preventing that to go over the line?"That's the typical debate tactic...misrepresent the opponents position. I'm talking about a sense of proportion here. Who is misrepresenting the others argument?
You condescendingly and self righteously say "you are not fine with George Floyd's death" and that is not your position. Which nobody said.
What you meed to address is whether you are ignoring and minimizing and deflecting the real point of this protest which is not George Floyd.
You call the concern that the NBA players have just a fashion statement. When confronted with the obvious explanation they might be concerned about racial prejudice in policing, you drag a red herring across the trail claiming neglect of the innocent victims of black crime. You minimize and marginalize any complaint about racism. Want justice for white victims of crime first?
Let's look at proportionality. Society has responded proportionally with a significant investment in law enforcement and a criminal justice system. That response is aimed to a far greater extent at the crimes that you are concerned with.
Some of that quite correct emphasis and some of that response has involved abuse of police power which also deserves attention.
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Oct 3, 2020 12:18:56 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Oct 3, 2020 12:18:56 GMT -6
You left out "of a jackass", which was key to my point.
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Oct 3, 2020 13:44:57 GMT -6
Post by villagepub on Oct 3, 2020 13:44:57 GMT -6
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 3, 2020 16:49:14 GMT -6
Blacks kill about 5 times as many other blacks as compared to how many whites they kill. So this is hardly about just making whites safe. Society does have to invest huge amounts of money and resources into keeping decent people safe from criminals, but it's not completely successful....in some neighborhoods it's not very successful at all.
If all the NBA's efforts to "raise awareness" or whatever, were completely successful in stopping all questionable killings of blacks by police, they might save around 5 or so lives a year. If they were instead to promote blacks recognizing a much larger danger to themselves, and working with police against the criminal element, they could save a hundred times that. But that isn't their priority. Makes the whole BLM slogan sort of suspect...doesn't it?
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Oct 3, 2020 19:03:04 GMT -6
Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 3, 2020 19:03:04 GMT -6
Blacks kill about 5 times as many other blacks as compared to how many whites they kill. So this is hardly about just making whites safe. Society does have to invest huge amounts of money and resources into keeping decent people safe from criminals, but it's not completely successful....in some neighborhoods it's not very successful at all. If all the NBA's efforts to "raise awareness" or whatever, were completely successful in stopping all questionable killings of blacks by police, they might save around 5 or so lives a year. If they were instead to promote blacks recognizing a much larger danger to themselves, and working with police against the criminal element, they could save a hundred times that. But that isn't their priority. Makes the whole BLM slogan sort of suspect...doesn't it? There is some truth to this
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Oct 4, 2020 9:06:20 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Oct 4, 2020 9:06:20 GMT -6
Blacks kill about 5 times as many other blacks as compared to how many whites they kill....If all the NBA's efforts to "raise awareness" or whatever, were completely successful.... Makes the whole BLM slogan sort of suspect...doesn't it? There is some truth to this Some.
There are a lot of good thing NBA athletes and celebrities generally could do that they don't.
And there is a lot of things they do they should definitely not do.
This is not one of them.
As somebody who doesn't expect much of them, they have been pretty professional and positive in this. I will salute that, again.
To denigrate their actions and belittle them and the BLM protests by saying they could have done something else more important is a swing and a miss. They are doing something positive here, deserve credit.
If the general wants to use his own celebrity to take up victims rights and give more attention to the value of all lives lost by doing so, I'll salute him, too. Especially when I see some positive steps in that direction not just the echo of race baiting dog whistles about the character of the black victims of police abuse and reports of innocent white crime victims, compounded to oppose the BLM movement and all those who support it.
Those signs in your neighborhood were not put out there by scum.
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Oct 4, 2020 9:42:37 GMT -6
Post by realitycheck on Oct 4, 2020 9:42:37 GMT -6
Not scum just sheep.
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Oct 4, 2020 9:49:18 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 4, 2020 9:49:18 GMT -6
On this issue of race, I hope it's a thundering herd. Yard signs don't mean much, I am surprised how many there are.
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Oct 7, 2020 18:47:31 GMT -6
Post by realitycheck on Oct 7, 2020 18:47:31 GMT -6
On this issue of race, I hope it's a thundering herd. Yard signs don't mean much, I am surprised how many there are. There are literally none in my neighborhood.
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