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Post by reds37 on Apr 8, 2021 14:27:12 GMT -6
Poor press guy is working at the frigging Star Press. A staff consisting of literally a handful of low paid writers for a dwindling circulation in a community not too interested in local news, not enough to pay for it anyway.
You probably made his day by mentioning him. Somebody out there is reading his stories!
Seriously Rob, BSU needs coverage in Indy and state wide, so whatever he writes which goes into the USAToday cloud is great with me. Even a coaching controversy. It would mean somebody out there cares, or an editor thought so.
The other part about how hard the BSU staff works, in what is a very hard job at any mid major, is sadly also something few care about, too.
Ben Breiner worked at the same lowely star press not long ago. He wrote same great articles and would ask tough questions. He is now the lead Beat writer for South Carolina and doing quite well for himself.. You get what you put in AMEN!! Breiner absolutely puts Guskey to shame.....and I'm sure was on the same pay grade. Ben took his job seriously and look what happened.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Apr 8, 2021 14:40:36 GMT -6
I would think you'd want to stand out if you want to move up in any field. The puff pieces have TMZ and US Weekly written all over them. I used to read my wife's US Weekly to see who wore it better.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2021 15:24:44 GMT -6
00 is just sticking up for a teammate.... This guy is a complete clown. I don't know what to make of your claim. Except that you find me very amusing. Granted, I distrust your opinion on humor a little, having not seen much of your use if it.
On a positive note, let me praise you for prefacing your opinion by making a claim of thinking and at least mentioning a possible basis for your opinion. Both so rare a thing in your posting.
Most of all it is really good you have begun to pay attention to opinion of academics and professionals!
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2021 15:28:09 GMT -6
I would think you'd want to stand out if you want to move up in any field. On the other hand, he is really just getting started. And, in journalism you have an editor and an audience you write for. It may not be the disgruntled readers of this forum. Give him a break.
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Post by realitycheck on Apr 8, 2021 16:11:42 GMT -6
Ryan Ogara who was not the best but improved over time. His best pieces were not always about BSU although his Hollywood piece was great. He moved on to work for a recruiting service and is writing some nice stuff for them. I think that is much more the likely scenario for a writer.
The news situation has deteriorated here steadily over time, and a lot of that is to be completely fair, there probably isn't much newsworthy in Muncie in some ways.
But, as population and circulation drop, and as people go to social media for local news, the newspaper is not the institution of influence it once was. The editor and reporters used to control and focus attention. We depended on them to filter the information and relied on them to go out and objectively discover what is going on. Now they are easy to ignore. Worse, whatever you happen to believe is true, right or wrong, you can now easily look around for sources that agree.
A source tells you something you don't want to believe you stop listening, even it's true.
Is there ANY topic or subject or profession that you are not an expert on? Because any time someone makes a fair, informed and sometimes critical remark on ANY subject, you jump on and offer a contrarian, apologetic, excuse-laden 1,000 word essay purporting to be some kind of authority? There are good reporters and lousy ones. The job has never paid well for newbs in a market this size. The goal used to be move up to a bigger paper. Now it's move up and then out to the web for a virtual publication or site. They pay better and offer more opportunity. Several people have already posted examples of recent writers who have followed this path. They moved up and on because they DID THEIR JOB. That is how it's supposed to work. I'll try to post something later about zoo animals in the wild so you can assume the expertise and authority of Marlin Perkins and school all of us idiots.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Apr 8, 2021 17:04:18 GMT -6
I would think you'd want to stand out if you want to move up in any field. On the other hand, he is really just getting started. And, in journalism you have an editor and an audience you write for. It may not be the disgruntled readers of this forum. Give him a break. Are you a relative or something? I don’t have to give him anything. He submits articles for publication. We are allowed to criticize. If he writes some good ones, I’ll say that too. And he’s not an ‘awww shucks’ Opie Taylor type with the snarky dog walk remark.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2021 17:07:45 GMT -6
RC,
If I read something and disagree, and think about it enough to give an opinion, do I have to be expert?
You are fair to say I am contrarion, if you mean I disagree. Mostly I cite reasons. You seem to object to that, too.
You are really fair to complain about length. On an internet forum, long posts are probably not best.
My bad on that.
As for the young journalist, I thought it wrong to say he makes much difference about BSU BB.
It'll depend on what you say about Marlin Perkins. Might interest me and I'll want to comment then.
You got a problem, don't want comments, just say so. Maybe you won't get any?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2021 17:14:48 GMT -6
On the other hand, he is really just getting started. And, in journalism you have an editor and an audience you write for. It may not be the disgruntled readers of this forum. Give him a break. Are you a relative or something? I don’t have to give him anything. He submits articles for publication. We are allowed to criticize. If he writes some good ones, I’ll say that too. And he’s not an ‘awww shucks’ Opie Taylor type with the snarky dog walk remark. Completely agree it's fair to criticize him, and the dog thing made no sense to me. Some comments about him seemed to harsh. Just another opinion.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 8, 2021 19:18:20 GMT -6
Contrarian? no. Parroting the establishment line to its most ridiculous ends is not what I call being a contrarian.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2021 19:36:08 GMT -6
Maybe RC meant "contrary?" Could be. A lot of that on the forum.
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Post by david75bsu on May 6, 2021 6:45:57 GMT -6
It seems the Grunk’ thread has flown way off target. I’d like to suggest that the AD and Prez are in a a fickle. They don’t know what to do. With the transfer rules in effect this year, a player could up and walk away from their scholarship with no penalty, they could play next year. At least in a normal situation they would have had to set out a year. Maybe, just maybe they will have Whit’ play out his contract and just let him ride off into the sunset. Not sure I like it, but could understand. I feel we have some good recruits coming in and it would be nice to have a reasonable chance to keep them. Just a thought.
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Post by cardfan on May 6, 2021 7:03:55 GMT -6
I get that, but at the same time, if you need to make a move, you need to make a move, regardless of who's coming/going. Letting it sink yet another year just pushes the program even further behind. Just make the cut and start the rebuild.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 6, 2021 7:58:58 GMT -6
it's not like BSU has a championship roster that they should be scared of losing. So what if they do something that triggers a mass exodus and results in a 9th place finish instead of a 6th place finish?
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Post by 00hmh on May 6, 2021 8:49:39 GMT -6
I get that, but at the same time, if you need to make a move, you need to make a move, regardless of who's coming/going. Letting it sink yet another year just pushes the program even further behind. Just make the cut and start the rebuild. I don't buy that most of the existing players who have spent time on campus and have some ties are not a priority for any new coach. It's easy to say the new coach just goes out and recruits 10 players. Not likely to be a pretty result. The interesting point here is making the transition where there is something different than usual with the transfer portal rules and especially that experienced talented players may be able to bail more easily.
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Post by 87grad on May 6, 2021 10:29:52 GMT -6
With 2 assistants leaving doesn't it make it cheaper to fire Whitford? Botts is the only one left who would be owed any money if he isn't retained. Hell, I'd prefer him as head coach over Whitford at this point. At least he gets out and tries to recruit.
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