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Post by williamtsherman on May 6, 2021 11:00:47 GMT -6
I know very little about Botts but I would welcome him replacing Whitford on the grounds that an unknown ceiling is better than a known ceiling of around 3rd place. Maybe the floor is lower, but then Whitford finished 11th in 2019, so what is there to lose?
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Post by 00hmh on May 6, 2021 12:20:22 GMT -6
With 2 assistants leaving doesn't it make it cheaper to fire Whitford? How? Except hiring cheaper assistants, whoever is HC needs assistants. Cheap may be the BSU way...but doesn't really square with wanting improvement.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on May 6, 2021 15:30:56 GMT -6
I get that, but at the same time, if you need to make a move, you need to make a move, regardless of who's coming/going. Letting it sink yet another year just pushes the program even further behind. Just make the cut and start the rebuild. By making the cut now, we owe him money, correct? You willing to write that check?
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Post by cardfan on May 6, 2021 15:40:55 GMT -6
The context was in terms of being worried about players leaving. My only point was you shouldn’t keep a coach around solely because of that if a program is already sinking. But Whitford isn’t going anywhere no matter what I think.
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Post by sweep on May 6, 2021 15:52:16 GMT -6
This is typical Ball State, we are going to hand over a complete dumpster fire to the next coach. Way to go Mearns.
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Post by sweep on May 6, 2021 15:55:48 GMT -6
I get that, but at the same time, if you need to make a move, you need to make a move, regardless of who's coming/going. Letting it sink yet another year just pushes the program even further behind. Just make the cut and start the rebuild. By making the cut now, we owe him money, correct? You willing to write that check? I hate to tell you skippy, but that's the way coaching contracts should be handled. You don't ever want a dead coach walking scenario. It's going to be a comedy act watching us try and hire two new assistant coaches, that's assuming Botts doesn't also leave.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on May 6, 2021 16:04:27 GMT -6
By making the cut now, we owe him money, correct? You willing to write that check? I hate to tell you skippy, but that's the way coaching contracts should be handled. You don't ever want a dead coach walking scenario. Whole heartedly agree. Since nothing happened several weeks back, it means he’s getting extended. Appears there was no great push from the masses to remove him.
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Post by 00hmh on May 6, 2021 17:59:59 GMT -6
This is typical Ball State, we are going to hand over a complete dumpster fire to the next coach. Way to go Mearns. Mearns?
It's the money. Goetz has no choice within her budget. Mearns would need donor money to create choice. And would also have to believe that raising it for and using it that way was higher priority than other uses.
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Post by sweep on May 6, 2021 18:09:28 GMT -6
This is typical Ball State, we are going to hand over a complete dumpster fire to the next coach. Way to go Mearns.
It's the money.
If 00 was in a coma for seven years he would wake-up talking about "lack of funding".
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Post by 00hmh on May 6, 2021 18:13:01 GMT -6
I hate to tell you skippy, but that's the way coaching contracts should be handled. You don't ever want a dead coach walking scenario. Whole heartedly agree. Since nothing happened several weeks back, it means he’s getting extended. Appears there was no great push from the masses to remove him. Push from the masses? You're right and there isn't a great deal of pressure possible there absent scandal or the masses producing a lot of revenue.
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Post by lmills72 on May 6, 2021 18:58:47 GMT -6
Mearns?
It's the money. Goetz has no choice within her budget. Mearns would need donor money to create choice. And would also have to believe that raising it for and using it that way was higher priority than other uses.
Is it the money? Do you happen to know for sure that Mearns wants Whitford gone but can't justify the pricetag? I don't follow Mearns' comments closely but from what others have indicated, Mearns kinda likes Jimbo. Seems OK with him being a mediocre coach.
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Post by lmills72 on May 6, 2021 18:59:43 GMT -6
Push from the masses? You're right and there isn't a great deal of pressure possible there absent scandal or the masses producing a lot of revenue. That's what happens when you just let a program wither away. Nobody gives a shit anymore. Thus no pressure to change anything.
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Post by 00hmh on May 6, 2021 19:16:44 GMT -6
Push from the masses? You're right and there isn't a great deal of pressure possible there absent scandal or the masses producing a lot of revenue. That's what happens when you just let a program wither away. Nobody gives a shit anymore. Thus no pressure to change anything. That's the reason we need to direct a little less ire at Whit and more at the decisions made with Buckley and Thompson. I saw how those decisions were made up close and the latter especially was more than just withering.
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Post by 00hmh on May 6, 2021 19:23:22 GMT -6
Mearns?
It's the money. Goetz has no choice within her budget. Mearns would need donor money to create choice. And would also have to believe that raising it for and using it that way was higher priority than other uses.
Is it the money? Do you happen to know for sure that Mearns wants Whitford gone but can't justify the pricetag? I don't follow Mearns' comments closely but from what others have indicated, Mearns kinda likes Jimbo. Seems OK with him being a mediocre coach. I think he sets a much lower value on trying to win basketball championships than we would on this forum To be fair, there is a serious question whether the University should set a high priority on that. From any Presidents point of view it is fairly low priority when it will never bring in revenue much more than required to pay for it, it it brought in that much.
OTOH, if a donor walked in with the money to fund championships, which is far more than required simply for a Whitford buyout, he might weigh other uses of the money. But ultimately money talks and he would not turn down the money.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 6, 2021 19:43:50 GMT -6
Bullshit. If BSU spent exactly the same money on the program, BUT started absolutely refusing to accept excuses for mediocrity, the difference would be like night and day.
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