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Post by sweep on Feb 2, 2021 19:18:01 GMT -6
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Post by reevo on Feb 2, 2021 20:49:10 GMT -6
Nice resume!
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 2, 2021 21:13:01 GMT -6
Kind of worries me that his background is semi-reminiscient of Whitford's. I'd like to go outside the box. By that either a Division 2 head coach or what Akron did with john groce , hard target a coach who was fired at a major conference school who would fit the MAC better. I realize option 2 could be out of our price range though, but point being I am in favor of doing something very different this time around because we've hirrd 4 straight failures. I feel last 20 yr most of pur hires have been "up and coming"age 35-40 yr old assistant coaches and while that worked with Hunsicker, it hasnt lately.
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Post by halftime on Feb 3, 2021 6:54:32 GMT -6
I think the problem at BSU is we have relied on the advice of search firms.
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Post by villagepub on Feb 3, 2021 8:10:36 GMT -6
I think the problem at BSU is we have relied on the advice of search firms. And Roy Budd.
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Post by halftime on Feb 3, 2021 8:19:18 GMT -6
Kind of worries me that his background is semi-reminiscient of Whitford's. I'd like to go outside the box. By that either a Division 2 head coach or what Akron did with john groce , hard target a coach who was fired at a major conference school who would fit the MAC better. I realize option 2 could be out of our price range though, but point being I am in favor of doing something very different this time around because we've hirrd 4 straight failures. I feel last 20 yr most of pur hires have been "up and coming"age 35-40 yr old assistant coaches and while that worked with Hunsicker, it hasnt lately. If you want go the DII route, here is a list of candidates. I don't know anything about any of them. www.silverwavesmedia.com/news_article/show/1107786
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2021 8:27:23 GMT -6
I think the problem at BSU is we have relied on the advice of search firms. And Roy Budd. Nothing wrong with using search firms, and actually nothing wrong with the process that brought Whitford as a finalist. He fit the constraints given the search firm, and as someone said above had a good resume.
Trying to understand how we got Ronnie makes your head hurt. For those favoring taking a chance, his hire was a "bold" "out of the box" move...
How his name got in the final mix is one question. Then, the kicker, he was not a first choice of anyone in the athletic department.
Which makes search firms and taking fewer chances when you have finalists look like a good route maybe!
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Post by villagepub on Feb 3, 2021 8:30:29 GMT -6
A head coach should:
1) Be able to identify talent, and be able to recruit that talent to his/her program. 2) Mold and groom that talent so that they can find, expose and utilize ALL of their given skills 3) Plan and create a game plan that will call upon and leverage ALL of the given skills of the talent. 4) Be a mentor in the development of the talent.
Do we have a situation where all facets of coaching are being executed in this program?
I think we have more talent on the floor than what is being utilized.
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Post by halftime on Feb 3, 2021 8:33:50 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with using search firms, and actually nothing wrong with the process that brought Whitford as a finalist. He fit the constraints given the search firm, and as someone said above had a good resume.
Trying to understand how we got Ronnie makes your head hurt. For those favoring taking a chance, his hire was a "bold" "out of the box" move...
How his name got in the final mix is one question. Then, the kicker, he was not a first choice of anyone in the athletic department.
Which makes search firms and taking fewer chances when you have finalists look like a good route maybe!
There is nothing wrong with using a search firm to compile a list of interested candidates, but we flat out took their advice on who to hire. That's a major difference.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Feb 3, 2021 8:51:09 GMT -6
There is a Southern Indiana guy on there so at least we'll get all of the Indiana recruits.
There is a mix of young and old on that list. Not even including a MAC job, I wonder how many of the older guys would want to leave D2/NAIA for a mid-major considering the success they've had (to be on that list).
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 3, 2021 9:45:13 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with using search firms, and actually nothing wrong with the process that brought Whitford as a finalist. He fit the constraints given the search firm, and as someone said above had a good resume.
Trying to understand how we got Ronnie makes your head hurt. For those favoring taking a chance, his hire was a "bold" "out of the box" move...
How his name got in the final mix is one question. Then, the kicker, he was not a first choice of anyone in the athletic department.
Which makes search firms and taking fewer chances when you have finalists look like a good route maybe!
Completely wrong. As an assistant at a power conference program, Ronnie was about as in-the-box sort of candidate as can be for a MAC school.....as was Whitford. Taylor was the other sort of in-the-box candidate MAC schools habitually seek.
When you see the proud, pleased, stupid smiles on the faces of Gora and Collins as they are rubbing elbows with John Thompson at Ronnie's introduction, you know exactly how that hire happened, and who should get the credit.
And NO! Let's be sure not to take any chances! Wouldn't want to upset the apple cart here at BSU basketball with what we have going!
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 3, 2021 9:51:50 GMT -6
I think the problem at BSU is we have relied on the advice of search firms. That's true. Ultimately whoever the next coach is I just a)want to take a gamble/chance as much of a gamble as our budget allows. Someone who seems like a completely different candidate coming in than Buckley, Thompson, Taylor, and Whitford. And b)Would like to see more strict standards about when and how contract extensions are awarded. BSU going back to Buckley keeps locking into the wrong guy for a minimum of 6 yr. The athletic dept was bailed out in a way by Ronny Thompson's shenanigans.
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 3, 2021 10:03:31 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with using search firms, and actually nothing wrong with the process that brought Whitford as a finalist. He fit the constraints given the search firm, and as someone said above had a good resume.
Trying to understand how we got Ronnie makes your head hurt. For those favoring taking a chance, his hire was a "bold" "out of the box" move...
How his name got in the final mix is one question. Then, the kicker, he was not a first choice of anyone in the athletic department.
Which makes search firms and taking fewer chances when you have finalists look like a good route maybe!
Ronny was a young major conference assistant coach, just like Buckley and Whitford were prior to hire. Typical candidate for a MAC school to look at other than having a famous dad and brother. Only one who was slightly different was Taylor since he had been a head coach at Lehigh. I do realize McCallum and Hunsicker were definitely "in the box" hires too, but theyve been succeeded by 4 failures. I'd argue the last outside the box hire was Majerus since he had been unsuccessful at Marquette and was a NBA assistant.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 3, 2021 11:08:05 GMT -6
being in-the-box does not necessarily guarantee failure....it's easy enough to prove that with examples. Problem is that in-the-box DOES guarantee other suitors that you will have to out bid. Given BSU's financial situation, BSU will always have to choose from among the lessor in-the-box candidates. Alternately, BSU could think creatively and have a much larger and less picked over pool of candidates. Problem is that BSU's administration is not mentally or morally capable of such a step. You can see on this very board how some of the conventionally-thinking, administration-supporting fans are absolutely terrified of trying anything different.
Another thing BSU doesn't have the guts to do is tell their candidates they will have to rely on their own confidence of success, rather than a lengthy contract. This will not scare away anyone worth a shit.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 3, 2021 11:16:27 GMT -6
The kind of coaches we have had would say "Oh, I need a contract extending out several years or I won't be able to convince recruits I'll be around."
The kind of coach we want will say "I'm going to start recruiting like a m-----f----- my first minute on the job and there is NOTHING you can do to stop me."
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