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Post by CallingBS on Apr 24, 2021 14:58:49 GMT -6
Fellas, the key to mid major survival in this new transfer jungle is having a dynamic inspirational leader like Porter Moser at Loyola whose players don't want to transfer. For those keeping score we don't have one of those. Sure we do. We have RealityCheck, the Sherminator, CardFan, Calhoun, Sweep, and, um, CallingBS.
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Post by 87grad on Apr 26, 2021 13:08:44 GMT -6
Fellas, the key to mid major survival in this new transfer jungle is having a dynamic inspirational leader like Porter Moser at Loyola whose players don't want to transfer. For those keeping score we don't have one of those. Of course, Porter Moser also decided to transfer to a bigger program.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 26, 2021 13:46:03 GMT -6
Fellas, the key to mid major survival in this new transfer jungle is having a dynamic inspirational leader like Porter Moser at Loyola whose players don't want to transfer. For those keeping score we don't have one of those. Of course, Porter Moser also decided to transfer to a bigger program. No worry about that with Sherman, halftime, et al.
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Post by realitycheck on Apr 26, 2021 14:23:27 GMT -6
Fellas, the key to mid major survival in this new transfer jungle is having a dynamic inspirational leader like Porter Moser at Loyola whose players don't want to transfer. For those keeping score we don't have one of those. Of course, Porter Moser also decided to transfer to a bigger program. Yeah, I think he hung in there as along as could be expected. The point being if you're gonna have a chance to keep our best talent you better have an inspirational and successful guy at the helm.
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Post by sag on Apr 26, 2021 14:52:20 GMT -6
Well Porter Moser parlayed his 51-67 record at Illinois State to get the Loyola job. His first bunch of years at Loyola until their first run a few years ago? 89-101.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 26, 2021 15:44:57 GMT -6
I believe the Sherman Plan would mean you'd never hire him on the first place, certainly not keep in after three years much less that many games.
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Post by sweep on Apr 26, 2021 16:01:39 GMT -6
I believe the Sherman Plan would mean you'd never hire him on the first place............ Yeah there was nothing unconventional or out-of-the-box about Moser's hire. Are you actually as dumb as you appear to be ?
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 26, 2021 16:11:43 GMT -6
Moser is an extremely odd case. When I had access to a bunch of top coach's lifetime W/L records, out of around 100, I found that only Guy Lewis of Houston failed for three years and then had significant success. Every single other one had early success.
Moser failed pretty badly for TEN years at the mid-major level before having significant success. VERY anomalous and astounding career pattern. Why did he not use his recently demonstrated abilities to get Ill St. higher than 6th in the MVC in 4 years? Why didn't he get loyola higher than 5th in 6 years? Frankly, I don't know what to make of him.
Using Moser as your example for how to make decisions on your program's coach is like using Tom Brady as the example that proves you should wait until the 6th round to find your franchise QB. But anyway, what school is stupid enough to always keep bad coaches around for 6 or 10 years?
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Post by sweep on Apr 26, 2021 16:42:58 GMT -6
It happens, Holtmann had a head coaching record of 44-54 when Butler promoted him to a Big East job. This is why it's imperative to give an AD some latitude on who to fire and hire.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 26, 2021 17:01:28 GMT -6
Moser is an extremely odd case. Using Moser as your example for how to make decisions on your program's coach is like using Tom Brady as the example that proves you should wait until the 6th round to find your franchise QB. But anyway, what school is stupid enough to always keep bad coaches around for 6 or 10 years? I agree. Although we've seen a lot of first round choices be expensive failures. Teams without high draft choices often cannot do the most logical thing. So we do see people gamble.
However, I doubt going to the HS for your franchise QB would be better, which was my point, I guess. It could be silly conventional wisdom to try to take chances on people with some college coaching experience, but I expect very few AD's would say the general rule should be different.
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 26, 2021 20:18:57 GMT -6
It happens, Holtmann had a head coaching record of 44-54 when Butler promoted him to a Big East job. This is why it's imperative to give an AD some latitude on who to fire and hire. True but lacking in details. Butler was stuck without a coach a month before the season began when Brandon Miller opted out or was pushed out or whatever happened there. The genius that is Barry Collier really had no option but to hand the reins to Holtmann on an interim basis, whatever his record had been. It was after Holtmann led the Bulldogs into the top 25 that the interim tag was removed.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 26, 2021 21:16:11 GMT -6
Am I the only one that instantly thinks Amish guy when I hear the name porter moser
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Post by amishalum on Apr 26, 2021 21:56:46 GMT -6
Am I the only one that instantly thinks Amish guy when I hear the name porter moser “Mose” maybe not Porter
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 26, 2021 23:38:57 GMT -6
Am I the only one that instantly thinks Amish guy when I hear the name porter moser “Mose” maybe not Porter you would brother Hezekiah
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Post by CallingBS on May 1, 2021 18:35:59 GMT -6
Larranaga had a similar trajectory didn't he?
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