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Post by 00hmh on Aug 22, 2023 8:57:42 GMT -6
Now available from the Colts by trade! Injured whiner at a low-value position who expects a big chunk of your salary cap! Serious inquiries only. Let me introduce you to his agent, Mr. Kawa. That pretty much sums it up.
Good luck finding a trade partner who will both pay the player and give the Colts any value on top of that.
The player choice of sitting it out until the Colts don't have rights is a costly one. Neither injury or forever feigning injury to get paid won't exactly help his market value.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 22, 2023 11:38:01 GMT -6
Taylors best bargaining point for getting paid by the Colts might be "Hey, you don't have the option to trade me because my value is so damn low on the market"
That Malki Kawa guy is playing 3D chess on the Colts.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 22, 2023 16:32:51 GMT -6
Taylors best bargaining point for getting paid by the Colts might be "Hey, you don't have the option to trade me because my value is so damn low on the market" That Malki Kawa guy is playing 3D chess on the Colts. The agent has created high risk, reward. Taylor is taking a risk here, too. For one thing this holdout and injury ploy isn't helping except with the Colts. Maybe. The Colts even with him aren't going to be great, could decide to wait him out and franchise him until they can see what the market is. They have that going for them, and it easily could be an over pay... What if the Colts match or slightly exceed a market contract? Whatever that is? The best RB contract this year was not guaranteed and looked better than it was. I doubt Taylor's market is better than that. I see why Taylor wants to get more as early as possible. He can only get that by sharing the risk. |
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Post by villagepub on Aug 23, 2023 7:09:02 GMT -6
Again, how the f@#k did Johnathan Taylor drop his previous representation for this new dude?
I'm sure Irsay is just pissed off with having to deal with this jag-off.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 23, 2023 8:29:47 GMT -6
I'm sure Irsay is just pissed off with having to deal with this jag-off. That's very likely.
Taylor is a smart guy, he's gaming the system as much as he can, and I can see why he's frustrated about his market value. It's like trying to sell a house in a down market. But that is just reality. His choice of an abrasive agent isn't likely to change much.
The real issue is whether there is some middle ground. Neither side will get everything they say they want. And. Who knows what they really want...
The agent is an issue in that. Holding out is a risky choice, Taylor not only loses immediate income but not much assurance his value increases. What is rational here?
Based on the recent cases like this it looks like he can get a little more now with a signing bonus on top, but will not get a long term guaranteed contract. Colts would probably like to save the franchise tag for Pittman and do that. The leverage Taylor has is a possibility he can be enough offense to make the Colts a middling team. But after all if they tank for another high draft pick, that's not all bad for them.
Of course Irsay is an old guy who wants to go out a winner, so who knows? Win now isn't much of an option, but not that much time to develop a team. He wants to spend 20 mil on saving a whale, and millions on buying collectibles...he is hard to predict.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 23, 2023 8:58:46 GMT -6
Not to mention the fact that Taylor is going to be viewed as a problem child and not worth the trouble, making a big contract less likely.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 23, 2023 11:16:45 GMT -6
Not to mention the fact that Taylor is going to be viewed as a problem child and not worth the trouble, making a big contract less likely. That's true. Some very good RBs getting cut, Taylor excellent not just very good, but however good he's high risk for injury. Give him bonus and incentives? If he wants guarantee it has to shorter contract anyway. Will anybody beat that offer? |
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 24, 2023 9:30:57 GMT -6
I've seen some comment along the lines of "Well you paid Nelson and Leonard the biggest contracts in the league at their positions, why will you not pay Taylor?'
The logic apparently being that if you make mistakes A and B, you are obligated to make similar mistake C.
I wonder if Steichen is the new element of sanity in the equation. Maybe he told Ballard/Irsay he was not interested in a roster with the highest-paid player at every low-value position in the NFL?
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 24, 2023 13:50:26 GMT -6
I've seen some comment along the lines of "Well you paid Nelson and Leonard the biggest contracts in the league at their positions, why will you not pay Taylor?' The logic apparently being that if you make mistakes A and B, you are obligated to make similar mistake C. I wonder if Steichen is the new element of sanity in the equation. Maybe he told Ballard/Irsay he was not interested in a roster with the highest-paid player at every low-value position in the NFL? The risk of future injury is the difference. Along with some possible doubt he is recovered from the existing injury. Taylor wants money now, but is smart enough to want long term money and guarantee. The Colts smart enough to not go for all that.
Besides that, I think they would pay him as the best RB, but not interested in doing it this year. And, to keep the option then to use the franchise tag.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 27, 2023 8:15:58 GMT -6
Trey Lance was a value position choice in 2021. 49ers traded four draft picks, THREE first round picks, to move up to get a high position value player.
Traded away today for a mid round pick...
That positional value thing doesn't always work so well. Colts choice at least didn't waste 3 picks. But I am not betting it's a sure thing either.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 27, 2023 20:35:30 GMT -6
Did somebody tell you that “the positional value thing” meant every qb trade up was a good idea?
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 28, 2023 6:58:19 GMT -6
Did somebody tell you that “the positional value thing” meant every qb trade up was a good idea? Good point! I've been saying all along that considering positional value as deciding factor isn't always a good idea. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 28, 2023 12:44:18 GMT -6
By the way, there seems to be a sort of unspoken agreement among the media to think only good thoughts about Anthony Richardson. These things happen from time to time and it's always interesting to see how far it will go.
Keeping in mind that two preseason game one's rookie year don't determine much, Richardson's passing has been pretty much what you would expect from someone who was a bad to mediocre passer in college. These results do remind us that Richardson is a hugely risky prospect....maybe could even be called a long shot. It's quite rare for any QB to have MORE success passing in the NFL as compared to college. It's almost always the other way around for a lot of good reasons.
Out of 103 QB's who have passed the ball this preseason, Richardson ranks 100th in completion % and 97th in passer rating. I guess it could be worse, but really not very much worse. Usually when there is a new unknown quantity that is crucially important to a team's future success, ANY early indicator is obsessively discussed in NFL media. However I've seen exactly zero mentions of Richardson's poor passing efficiency results. By the way, the four teams that made the conf championship games last year had the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 6th QB passing ratings. Probably just a coincidence. Not sure what any of those QB's could do in the long jump. I watched both those games and don't remember any of the four QB's leaping any particularly long distances.
I think there is a decent possibility that Minshew is at some point named starter over a healthy Richardson. It will be a nightmare for the Colts from a PR standpoint but Colts fans should not overreact to this due to being mentally unprepared for it. Turning a bad passer into a good passer, or even a mediocre passer is not only a risky, uncertain gamble, it will also take some time if it is ever going to succeed.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Aug 29, 2023 14:30:05 GMT -6
JT stays on PUP list, out first 4 weeks at least
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Aug 29, 2023 14:36:44 GMT -6
He apparently has to be on the *ACTIVE* roster by week 6 in order for this season to count toward his contract
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