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Post by chirpchirpcards on Apr 30, 2022 23:06:45 GMT -6
Mel Kiper gives the Colts a B for the 2022 draft. nfl.com gave the Colts a C. What grade do you give them?
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Post by williamtsherman on May 1, 2022 6:14:48 GMT -6
Who knows about the quality of the picks, but at least there seems to now be some recognition of positional value, although you have to get really lucky to get an above average player at a high value position when not picking until well into the 2nd round. By the way, what's the best pick Ballard has EVER made at a high-value position? I'm having difficulty even thinking of any candidates. That's how you go about failing to make the playoffs.
To give any grade higher than a "D", I guess you would have to NOT include losing the first round pick through the total fiasco of the Wentz ordeal.
Notice that nobody ever gives you any data about the accuracy of the evaluations of their "post draft report cards". Are any of them historically any better than throwing darts at a dart board? Nobody knows. Nobody cares. All post draft report cards are just pap to fill a post draft need for susceptible fans.
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Post by 00hmh on May 1, 2022 10:20:05 GMT -6
Getting a QB out of the draft was not really a good bet this year. Getting a very good WR and a very good LT in the draft does look like good work on the traditional higher value positions.
Reading the Colts scouting comments on the players drafted there is a consensus that Ballard goes for high upside players with athleticism. This forumula worked for KC and a lot of teams are now following that theory building teams by building solid line play.
Ballard may have deviated from the conventional value picks with his picks at RB and LG but I don't see any coaches or other experts who are thinking that was a such a failed idea even though it violates the norm on positional values. Using that pick on a G really bothers you, but would you really rather have Darnold? Nelson and Smith sure look like a better deal with hindsight. Or are you assuming somehow they would have had a better crystal ball than the Jets?
Looking at the last 4 drafts there are quite a number of early 1st picks, including QB picks that are paying smaller dividends than the 1st round picks used to get the Colts a LG, or the one for their current QB, or the one for a real star inside DL player. It may be unusual but Ballard has done an pretty good job on his roster.
The decision on Wentz looks like it was gamble that lost, but as you say, they have recovered pretty well. As I recall we agreed on it that there was upside and it may have been the best of a number of choices available.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 1, 2022 12:32:42 GMT -6
If they start awarding playoff spots and wins to teams with lots of Pro Bowlers at low value positions, Ballard's roster will rule.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on May 2, 2022 21:34:34 GMT -6
Colts future plans revealed |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on May 3, 2022 6:36:12 GMT -6
Arch will leave school early. Although his NIL deals will be unbelievable. Might see the first billionaire college player.
Which also begs the question: When will we start seeing NIL deals for high school players?
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Post by 00hmh on May 3, 2022 9:11:09 GMT -6
Without a first round pick, they seemed to have still obtained players that filled needs and get an overall average influx of talent compared to other teams. So, a B or maybe higher for their draft makes sense.
The real question is what cost them that 1st round pick, when they traded for Wentz.
They were gambling on a longer term franchise QB. They recovered by getting some value for him and landed a good shorter term replacement, and a 3rd round pick which helped bolster the amount of help they get in this draft. Added up to trading a 1st round for a 3rd round plus a QB who may be fine for a few years.
Maybe that was a wash? There sure are a lot of 1st round QB picks who are littering the sidelines now or even out of the league.
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Post by 00hmh on May 3, 2022 9:15:53 GMT -6
Arch will leave school early. Although his NIL deals will be unbelievable. Might see the first billionaire college player. Which also begs the question: When will we start seeing NIL deals for high school players? Arch Manning it would seem would be a very high pick. The Colts are too good to get that high draft pick. Maybe trading a lot of proven alent for draft picks and somehow bundling them to move up to a #1 is the only way they get that chance.
NIL offered early in HS to future college players as recruiting inducement is a very logical development isn't it?
Probably not really rational for the booster, but that irrational boosterism is a huge part of what this is all based on.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on May 3, 2022 14:41:11 GMT -6
Arch will leave school early. Although his NIL deals will be unbelievable. Might see the first billionaire college player. Which also begs the question: When will we start seeing NIL deals for high school players? Arch Manning it would seem would be a very high pick. The Colts are too good to get that high draft pick. Maybe trading a lot of proven alent for draft picks and somehow bundling them to move up to a #1 is the only way they get that chance.
NIL offered early in HS to future college players as recruiting inducement is a very logical development isn't it?
Probably not really rational for the booster, but that irrational boosterism is a huge part of what this is all based on.
The Colts were a playoff team and two years removed from an AFC Championship game before going 3-13 and getting Manning, a lot can happen over the next 4 seasons before the 2026 draft. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 3, 2022 15:14:10 GMT -6
Arch Manning it would seem would be a very high pick. The Colts are too good to get that high draft pick. Maybe trading a lot of proven alent for draft picks and somehow bundling them to move up to a #1 is the only way they get that chance.
The Colts were a playoff team and two years removed from an AFC Championship game before going 3-13 and getting Manning, a lot can happen over the next 4 seasons before the 2026 draft. I guess I don't want to wish what made it possible to happen again. I do vaguely remember that year, similar to how BSU won every close game the year before last and were world beaters and then couldn't win close ones the next. Worse than that for the Colts, they lost 9 or 10 games and everybody was fired...
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Post by 00hmh on May 13, 2022 8:51:00 GMT -6
Who knows about the quality of the picks, but at least there seems to now be some recognition of positional value, although you have to get really lucky to get an above average player at a high value position when not picking until well into the 2nd round.
They seem to have done well in signing a number of players expected to be drafted.
They seem likely to sign a veteran WR and with FA, draft and UDFA have beefed up pass rush, LT, and WR, at least have several potential back up QBs.
There is discussion of a vet at CB. Depending on how training camps go, I would not be surprised to see a vet QB.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 14, 2022 16:12:11 GMT -6
Who knows about the quality of the picks, but at least there seems to now be some recognition of positional value, although you have to get really lucky to get an above average player at a high value position when not picking until well into the 2nd round.
They seem to have done well in signing a number of players expected to be drafted.
They seem likely to sign a veteran WR and with FA, draft and UDFA have beefed up pass rush, LT, and WR, at least have several potential back up QBs.
There is discussion of a vet at CB. Depending on how training camps go, I would not be surprised to see a vet QB.
Including one UDFA that I personally coached in 3rd or 4th grade basketball, laying a foundation of training habits and attitude that is primarily responsible for all his subsequent athletic success. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 18, 2022 13:49:58 GMT -6
I'm completely baffled. Every TV announcer and every lard ass ex-HS football player knows as an incontestable fact that you win in the trenches. And that super-smart Chris Ballard has investing huge amounts of draft capital and salary cap in interior O and D lines. What gives?
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Post by sdacardinal on Sept 18, 2022 15:49:30 GMT -6
All I know is the Colts looked like shit today.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 19, 2022 6:21:34 GMT -6
The famous O-Line of the Colts couldn't have stopped my grandmother yesterday. And she's dead!
At WR, they've got Pittman (who was out yesterday), an unknown rookie (out as well), and then a bunch of practice-squad-level receivers that can't get open. Ryan spent all day trying to squeeze passes into too-tight windows because the WRs couldn't create space. Or he was running for his life because the O-line was so porous.
Dulin, Patmon, Campbell, Strachan, Mo-Alie, Granson, and Woods. Mo-Alie is the best of the bunch... and that's not a good recipe for success.
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