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Lewis
Sept 30, 2022 8:06:42 GMT -6
Post by cardfan on Sept 30, 2022 8:06:42 GMT -6
Interestingly, and contrary to what I thought I would find, Whitford's teams hit a higher percentage of threes compared to conference opponents each of the last four years. The problems were elsewhere. The problems were turnovers, selfishness, and lack of discipline, especially at winning time. |
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Lewis
Sept 30, 2022 8:24:34 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 30, 2022 8:24:34 GMT -6
Interestingly, and contrary to what I thought I would find, Whitford's teams hit a higher percentage of threes compared to conference opponents each of the last four years. The problems were elsewhere. The problems were turnovers, selfishness, and lack of discipline, especially at winning time. Turnovers for sure. Maybe too, at winning time that's where lack of a wing who could make his own shot hurt. I always thought lack of talented depth and athleticism made late game dead legs. Good effort just no "go" at the end. Didn't make stops, get loose ball, rebound and so on. Discipline might have overcome that turnover bug and not leave us in the close end game. But we dug a hole, fought back and then we were gassed so often, too rarely were we able to be the aggressor late, or made that last big play it seemed. |
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Lewis
Sept 30, 2022 9:32:33 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Sept 30, 2022 9:32:33 GMT -6
30 minutes.
5 minutes in talks about first college practices where RMK asked him if he wanted to play a lot or a little. "if you don't stop shooting, you'll sit next to me. We have some great scorers already, you aren't going to be a scorer, play defense, be tough, be a leader and a coach on the floor you'll play all you want."
About 8 or 9 minutes in talks about errors and goal that we don't let that make us lose. Mentions the banner in his college locker room about victory favoring the team that makes fewest errors.
Discusses the buy in of the team, the desire to win, cautions that they have not faced adversity yet and the staff has to prepare them for recovery from the times they will fail.
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 30, 2022 13:12:11 GMT -6
Last season, BSU had the #302 defense in the country, and as I researched and demonstrated in a thread here, that was most likely the worst BSU defense in 50 years. With this in mind, I don't feel it's necessary to further speculate on why the team was unsuccessful...at least for 2021-22.
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Lewis
Oct 1, 2022 10:03:32 GMT -6
Post by bsu0 on Oct 1, 2022 10:03:32 GMT -6
I hope that is all true and will see this season if Lewis follows through on what he has stated...Now, if he can recruit.............
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Post by redfeather on Oct 1, 2022 10:09:42 GMT -6
At this point the only hesitation I have about Lewis is it took 30 years for him to become a HC. What did others not see in him that cause them to chose someone else? 30 years is a very long time to not get your shot at being a HC so something was missing?
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Lewis
Oct 1, 2022 11:56:18 GMT -6
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 1, 2022 11:56:18 GMT -6
At this point the only hesitation I have about Lewis is it took 30 years for him to become a HC. What did others not see in him that cause them to chose someone else? 30 years is a very long time to not get your shot at being a HC so something was missing? Something probably what missing. It was probably whatever led BSU administrators to hire the likes of Ronny Thompson, Billy Taylor and James Whitford. Whatever qualities those three had that Lewis does not, I think I can do without. I'm sure Lewis has been rejected by many very astute decision makers who went on to hire coaches who have produced less-than-inspiring results. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 1, 2022 12:12:53 GMT -6
30 years?
His first coaching was GA in 2002?
UCLA was a pretty good job to leave.
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 1, 2022 14:35:44 GMT -6
redfeather makes a very good point. You can quibble all you want but Lewis spent a very long time as an assistant, and was passed over for all sorts of head positions that he seemingly would have been qualified for.
Why? I've pondered this but have no idea. Were the people who decided to pass him over infallible? No. Might he actually be a terrific head coach and make those people regret not hiring him? Quite possibly.
But it is VERY reasonable to have a concern about this at the current moment when he has no actual head coach track record to look at.
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 1, 2022 16:50:36 GMT -6
redfeather makes a very good point. You can quibble all you want but Lewis spent a very long time as an assistant, and was passed over for all sorts of head positions that he seemingly would have been qualified for. Why? I've pondered this but have no idea. Were the people who decided to pass him over infallible? No. Might he actually be a terrific head coach and make those people regret not hiring him? Quite possibly. But it is VERY reasonable to have a concern about this at the current moment when he has no actual head coach track record to look at. Yes if only Redfeather was accurate. Lewis was passed over for many head coaching jobs in the past 30 years? Even dating back to when he was a freshman at Jasper High School? I'd say it would be pretty impressive for him to even be considered for a collegiate head coaching job at that age. And really, which jobs exactly was he passed over for? Which schools did he interview at? Who beat him out for those jobs? Was it James Whitford or Wes Miller? I don't have a clue if Lewis will be a good HC or not, but I think looking at 20 years as an assistant at some pretty decent programs and holding that up as a red flag is kinda silly. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 1, 2022 18:11:02 GMT -6
I assume he had some interviews, although I have no idea how many or with who. If he didn't have interviews, wouldn't that be even worse? And does the fact that some coaches he was passed over for were failures really negate this concern? I'm not clear how that logic works. Nobody that I know of thinks or claims search committees are infallible.
The way intelligent people operate in situations of uncertainty (and a first time head coach IS a situation of uncertainty) is to gather the best and most relevant possible information and assess and blend it in one's mind to form the best possible estimate of the future possibilities. Lewis being passed over for so long is one such relevant, although far from conclusive, piece of data. It's just one piece of data that happens to go on the negative side of the scales. Here in about 3 months or so, where going to have MUCH better data to chew over, but for now we have to work with what we have.
Not-so-bright people, on the other hand, will commonly refuse to acknowledge any piece of data to points to a possibility they don't like and thus skew all their expectations towards what they WANT to believe. We've seen quite a bit if this sort of thinking over the last 20 years of BSU basketball, and frankly I'm fucking sick of it.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 1, 2022 19:56:31 GMT -6
You know what they say about that.
As you discuss how intelligent people think you should include caution about assumptions.
mills had a series of good questions.
I don't see anyone here saying the guy is perfect. Hey you are the guy who is an advocate of hiring HS coaches who are screened by 18 year olds, I don't exactly see why you are so concerned about HC experience, anyway. Is there a norm for how long a good coach stays an assistant? Rick Majerus was an assistant for 15 years at one school.
Lewis certainly has a track record as good or better than most BSU hires. 20 years into your coaching career, you are a top assistant at a top program, that is evidence you have done something. These hypothetical missed opportunities and failures you assume exist and want to give weight to don't stack up to what he has actually done.
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 1, 2022 21:32:58 GMT -6
I think people who have an overinflated opinion of themselves often confuse their assumptions with relevant information.
I also think that if someone classifies Wes Miller as a failure as a coach, they clearly don't know who Wes Miller is.
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Lewis
Oct 2, 2022 7:23:46 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Oct 2, 2022 7:23:46 GMT -6
The idea that Lewis has been passed over for head coaching positions is indeed a hypothesis, since I don't actually KNOW it's true, and an assumption, since I'm proceeding in the discussion as if it is true. The alternative hypothesis is that, in twenty years of assisting, this ambitious person received ZERO interest for open head coaching positions. I don't know why anyone would be so pessimistic about our new coach as to suggest that. I guess you must think he has some REALLY flagrant red flags. Let's at least give him a chance before we get that negative.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 2, 2022 8:05:32 GMT -6
We’ll see. That’s all we can do at this point. Can just about guarantee we’ll be tougher but will have to see if it translates into wins.
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