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Post by chirprising on Nov 23, 2022 13:53:08 GMT -6
Over the years, I feel I am mostly vilified when I write my opinion, mostly regarding racial prejudices and comments from forum participants. I see it in my own lens and experiences having seen how life is in Muncie and Indiana in general. I do appreciate the comment that race may have played a role if we look at situations for what they really are, and with no blinders that impact our opinion and judgement. I hope some of my comments could add to the understanding that race does matter in the USA. Read my comment for what it is, and feel ok if you sometimes become uncomfortable with the taboo type terms I might use. It is possible racial prejudice might have played a role on wheather Kiel played this past season. It's a difficult subject for us so you can imagine how a bunch of 18-22 year olds might be feeling...one thing is for certain, they are definitely feeling something...one comment that came back to me a couple of weeks ago seemed to sum it up 'we have to prove we can play despite limited opportunities but others get unlimited opportunity to prove they can't and even sometimes when they prove they can't that doesn't change anything'...that comment feels a lot to me like the Paddock-Kelly situation...combine that with some other pretty glaring inconsistencies and it's not a stretch to imagine how they might think it's race at worse or bias at best...I'm not saying that it's an Iowa situation but if you have any group of players feeling a certain way and have examples to prove it, I do think enough of Mike to believe that he would actually be willing to get to the bottom of an issue like that. And yes, this one stings in particular because it's been a glaring pattern that could have been avoided...I hope part of Mike's offseason plan will be to spend some time with some consultants who can help him...in fact, if I were his boss I would mandate it. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 23, 2022 13:54:00 GMT -6
Cardfan, I wish you were the one asking post-game questions. Can we get someone to get press credentials to represent this board? Unlikely, when you put it that way. Not enough audience. And. Not for long if questions get pointed and critical. |
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Nov 23, 2022 14:12:47 GMT -6
I just think Neu has a certain concept of how the position is played and can’t get beyond that and evolve. And if he can’t evolve he’s dead in the water. Like I’ve said many times, he played for Schudel and there’s a certain mindset to what he wants out of the position, especially how it relates to having a 1300 yard RB back there. It’s old school but it’s limited in todays game. But how he lives with paddocks limitations and mistakes I just don’t know. On the other hand, we make a yard on 4th down we’re not talking about this today. Really need to look at the oline not getting it done late in games too. Agree on all points. Not the other potential allegations floating here. |
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Post by bsutony on Nov 23, 2022 14:27:24 GMT -6
Neu is loyal to a fault. There is a lot of talk about Paddock, but you can also make the case against Yo'heinz. He was basically nonexistent all year, but he continued to get playing time.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 23, 2022 14:35:56 GMT -6
We can always talk race. Let’s just not start pointing fingers and saying and start spreading the narrative that BSU is a racist program. Agree. Race might at some level enter into a lot of decisions and that shouldn't be ignored, but it's too easy for that to become a highly charged accusation of racism.
As you say Rob, there is a lot of very positive player vibe for Neu and the whole staff. Awfully easy for players to be upset about lack of playing time and look for reasons, and cardfan made a good point that players and coaches may need better communication if race becomes mentioned and that kind of perception gets a foothold.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 14:42:50 GMT -6
The program is effed by Neus paranoia and lack of trust of his players and staff. I really believe that. I think he wants to be right rather than victorious and therefore he’s not gonna let Kelly show him up about sticking with paddock. I think Mike is that thin skinned and shallow. Yeah I’m pissed at him today. A lot. I no longer trust him. That’s why I’m so curious why Kelly played yesterday though. It put Neu in a no-win position personally. Either Kelly plays well and we’re all scratching our heads, or he plays poorly and we’re all wondering scratching our heads. I don’t know anything about paranoia, but if he was concerned about Kelly showing him up I dont think Kelly would have seen the field. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 14:46:51 GMT -6
I’d hate to think race is somehow involved but if you look at it with out blinders on you can make the argument I don’t know. I mean this is Neu’s livelihood. I think he’d have to be super racist to keep an all star on the bench at the expense of his own stock as a coach. And if he was racist I dont know how he’d get black players to come here and buy in. You said Kelly loves it here and doesnt want to transfer. That doesnt sound like racism to me. I also think racism is a hell of a charge to make. Chirprising ought to give some direct evidence. Put up or shut up. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 23, 2022 14:50:48 GMT -6
The program is effed by Neus paranoia and lack of trust of his players and staff. I really believe that. I think he wants to be right rather than victorious and therefore he’s not gonna let Kelly show him up about sticking with paddock. I think Mike is that thin skinned and shallow. Yeah I’m pissed at him today. A lot. I no longer trust him. That’s why I’m so curious why Kelly played yesterday though. It put Neu in a no-win position personally. Either Kelly plays well and we’re all scratching our heads, or he plays poorly and we’re all wondering scratching our heads. I don’t know anything about paranoia, but if he was concerned about Kelly showing him up I dont think Kelly would have seen the field. . That he didn’t trust Kelly to throw it and didn’t play him late tells me he played him almost begrudgingly or, “I know I should do this but I don’t really want to and paddock seems healthy enough so I’ll just go with him the rest of the way.” That’s just my feeling and we’ll never know. |
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Post by cardman on Nov 23, 2022 14:54:10 GMT -6
Quick question:
anyone seen the final player stats? From what I have heard during the broadcast, Kelly had like 51 yards in three plays? I'd say that is a hell of a productive player stat. Take out the fact that Kelly is African America out of the equation and you still get factual data that he did very well, despite having a short leash limiting him to mostly running plays. Yes, he was the best play caller last night. Please chime in to correct me if I am wrong on this.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 23, 2022 14:54:54 GMT -6
I’d hate to think race is somehow involved but if you look at it with out blinders on you can make the argument I don’t know. I mean this is Neu’s livelihood. I think he’d have to be super racist to keep an all star on the bench at the expense of his own stock as a coach. And if he was racist I dont know how he’d get black players to come here and buy in. You said Kelly loves it here and doesnt want to transfer. That doesnt sound like racism to me. I also think racism is a hell of a charge to make. Chirprising ought to give some direct evidence. Put up or shut up. I think it’s through more of the lens of “guys like Paddock can make loss inducing mistakes over and over and I/we can’t even get the first chance.” Doesnt make it racist. But it does make it very personal. |
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Post by bsutony on Nov 23, 2022 14:56:57 GMT -6
Quick question: anyone seen the final player stats? From what I have heard during the broadcast, Kelly had like 51 yards in three plays? I'd say that is a hell of a productive player stat. Take out the fact that Kelly is African America out of the equation and you still get factual data that he did very well, despite having a short leash limiting him to mostly running plays. Yes, he was the best play caller last night. Please chime in to correct me if I am wrong on this. If you have been following this thread you know almost all of us wanted to see Kelly play earlier in the season and get more opportunities last night because it was clear the offense worked better while he was in. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 14:57:38 GMT -6
Quick question: anyone seen the final player stats? From what I have heard during the broadcast, Kelly had like 51 yards in three plays? I'd say that is a hell of a productive player stat. Take out the fact that Kelly is African America out of the equation and you still get factual data that he did very well, despite having a short leash limiting him to mostly running plays. Yes, he was the best play caller last night. Please chime in to correct me if I am wrong on this. 1/1 passing for 23 yards (longest of the game) and something like 8 rushes for 83 yards. Kelly killed it last night in the very limited opportunity he was given. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 15:02:43 GMT -6
I don’t know. I mean this is Neu’s livelihood. I think he’d have to be super racist to keep an all star on the bench at the expense of his own stock as a coach. And if he was racist I dont know how he’d get black players to come here and buy in. You said Kelly loves it here and doesnt want to transfer. That doesnt sound like racism to me. I also think racism is a hell of a charge to make. Chirprising ought to give some direct evidence. Put up or shut up. I think it’s through more of the lens of “guys like Paddock can make loss inducing mistakes over and over and I/we can’t even get the first chance.” Doesnt make it racist. But it does make it very personal. Which is why I want direct evidence. Neu’s decision making being incomprehensible doesnt help matters. But to allege such a repugnant motive without backing up with concrete support is vile. |
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Post by cardman on Nov 23, 2022 15:13:58 GMT -6
Be very honest here...let's say Paddock was African American, would you think he would have been allowed and continued to play in 12 games despite the less than acceptable performance.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 23, 2022 15:30:20 GMT -6
Be very honest here...let's say Paddock was African American, would you think he would have been allowed and continued to play in 12 games despite the less than acceptable performance. ZERO way to know that. Ask the same about Tyler. |
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