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Post by 00hmh on Apr 1, 2023 9:14:57 GMT -6
Respectfully, I disagree. The pursuit of art, academia, or sport are all - in essence - the pursuit of excellence...or of just basic happiness! I think the trouble with the portal and current transfer rules is that they allow this continual search for "happiness." I know, it sounds bad that I would be against that. But there are tons of people out there (not just young athletes) searching for happiness, and they haven't a clue what will truly make them happy. And so they try every little thing they can think of, moving from one "solution" to the next and never finding what they want. You have something there. We want students to be happy and to enjoy their studies, and believe an education is a huge plus for a happy life afterwards, but we don't grade on happiness, or confer a degree based on happiness as the goal.
officerfarva has a point that there is an ideal that learning leads to pursuit of excellence , a pursuit based on the knowledge acquired, but university degrees also have an equally mundane goal of preparing students for later life, usually with a career goal separate from the "pure" academic joys of achievement in their major field.
Those accountants love accounting and study of accounting.
Well, wait a minute, I am not so sure of that, but I know they also love the prospect of easy job hunting and attaining skills developed which will further their careers after college. Fine arts, history, literature and other majors are not as linked to a vocation, but all involve mastering learning skills, critical thinking, and advanced study which can be used outside the discipline itself, and all require adherence to an academic structure the university actively supervises and sets requirements for, other than "happiness," to insure they meet the standard of a degree. .
officerfarva and I would agree that so does football or any sport perhaps provide value after college. But, I think he is pushing the idea that it's all the same.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Apr 1, 2023 10:49:53 GMT -6
Respectfully, I disagree. The pursuit of art, academia, or sport are all - in essence - the pursuit of excellence...or of just basic happiness! I think the trouble with the portal and current transfer rules is that they allow this continual search for "happiness." I know, it sounds bad that I would be against that. But there are tons of people out there (not just young athletes) searching for happiness, and they haven't a clue what will truly make them happy. And so they try every little thing they can think of, moving from one "solution" to the next and never finding what they want. Maybe a new coach will make them happy ... nope ... well maybe a new school ... nope ... more playing time ... nope ... more money .. nope ... new girlfriend/boyfriend, husband/wife ... nope ... the list goes on and on. I think what many people don't realize is that sometimes, instead of turning tail and running, you find happiness through struggle, which can also be where you find your highest level of satisfaction and accomplishment. So should kids be able to transfer? Sure, why not. And some kids probably have very legitimate reasons to do so. But, I suspect at least half of the kids in the portal just want the easy path to happiness and would be better off just to stay where they are and work through it. I agree that they might be wrong. But it’s preference substitution to say they can’t. This country exists and this continent is populated like it is due to not just putting up with the status quo. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 1, 2023 11:03:35 GMT -6
A parent restricts freedom for most even after high school. That's not wrong.
College represents for most a transition to eventual full adult freedom. In that transition the university still plays a role in locu parentis.
The student(and usually the parent) choose to enter university understanding that contract.
Part of that is that college sports is regulated. How much is too much is the question.
Transfer and NIL came about because it was viewed as too much. The current scheme is proving to have enough problems to say there is now too much or too poor regulation.
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Post by purplecats on Apr 1, 2023 18:39:10 GMT -6
And prior to the transfer portal, D1 basketball players were focused on their education? I think all involved , the Coaches, parents and the athletes were more focused as a whole. When the one and done came those elite athletes starting caring less but the bulk of the NCAA athletes still understood the contract to play and get a degree on the other end and maybe play in Europe but the ensuing 15 years changed the game. Coaches going into houses and talking to parents about programs / academics and players realizing a 4 year degree is the goal was much more at the forefront prior to NIL and Transfers. in the early 2000s when Goodman's Transfer list was around 400 athletes Parents and Coaches discussed Academics as the goal to be completed at the end of 4 years. Not so much now, Parents already ask "what kind of deal you gonna git my boy". Coaches I know don't even plan on an athlete finishing with them. They recruit em and hope they get a year or two out of them. The concept of relationship with a coach for the rest of your life is going to fall by the wayside. Too bad. There are lots of athletes that have passed through programs where they and their Coaches are family for life. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 2, 2023 9:01:13 GMT -6
Whether or not the traits are related to the ideal of pursuing excellence or happiness, sports can contribute some of these traits as part of an education. In any case, getting a job and being successful in life is the goal of higher education for the typical student. Institutions of higher education have to keep that focus.
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Post by realitycheck on Apr 2, 2023 13:06:16 GMT -6
I leave for a few days and log in to see if we've signed anyone new and instead I find Farva and 00hmh and a few others have hijacked this thread into a social emotional analysis. Let's get back on topic you weirdos.
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Post by connecticutcard on Apr 12, 2023 12:41:41 GMT -6
Any way you want to slice it the transfer portal helps mid-majors more than it helps the top programs. Pencil at least 2 mid-majors in next years Final 4 and continue to do so for as long the portal remains in its current form.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 12, 2023 13:25:09 GMT -6
Any way you want to slice it the transfer portal helps mid-majors more than it helps the top programs. Pencil at least 2 mid-majors in next years Final 4 and continue to do so for as long the portal remains in its current form. I see only unconvincing evidence of that from one year with upsets of top seeds. Look at who was helped most by portal wars, and who got the top talent, it was top teams and conferences. Seems true so far this year in the portal. |
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Post by nazcard on Apr 12, 2023 16:50:07 GMT -6
Verbal Commits reports that Reggie Bass transfers from Central to Kent State.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 12, 2023 17:09:51 GMT -6
Verbal Commits reports that Reggie Bass transfers from Central to Kent State. Somehow makes sense. Wonder where he’ll be the year after next. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 12, 2023 18:41:24 GMT -6
Verbal Commits reports that Reggie Bass transfers from Central to Kent State. Somehow makes sense. Wonder where he’ll be the year after next. Oh my Kent gets thuggier |
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Post by thebsukid on Apr 13, 2023 8:07:51 GMT -6
I’ve said since his HS days Bass can play; if Lewis could reel him in he could have been a contributor
The kid has some baggage but a good coach could handle it
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Post by rusty on Apr 13, 2023 11:25:09 GMT -6
Never impressed with him he’s not a team player! Glad we didn’t get him.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 13, 2023 12:27:56 GMT -6
He can play but Everyone in Indiana knows he is not worth the headaches
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Post by swenocha on Apr 13, 2023 13:50:49 GMT -6
The big question I have is... which MAC school will Tyler Cochran play at this year? NIU to BSU to UT. I'm thinking.... It's time to give a Michigan team a shot... Or maybe Miami and just avoid the mitten altogether?
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