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Apr 3, 2024 8:02:16 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Apr 3, 2024 8:02:16 GMT -6
Is this a general problem with NIL, or a problem for the Iowa collective in the way they distribute their payments?
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Apr 3, 2024 8:18:59 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Apr 3, 2024 8:18:59 GMT -6
Is this a general problem with NIL, or a problem for the Iowa collective in the way they distribute their payments? Gee, you sound like you are assuming the pay is for the play and the athlete is an employee whose duties include performance on the field of play?
When you are paying athletes for token work, and they perform the duties imposed by the contract, you have to pay them.
If you insist on little details like the player doing what the contract doesn't really call on him to do, like practice or play in games and do anything else except token work, this is what you get.
If it is a problem it is the whole fiction of NIL being related to actual trademark value. The value is defined by the contract which is a farce to start with.
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NIL
Apr 3, 2024 8:56:53 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Apr 3, 2024 8:56:53 GMT -6
OBVIOUSLY I assume it's pay for play. Because it is.
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Post by david75bsu on Apr 3, 2024 9:55:47 GMT -6
This crap, our running back issues, Jihad, etc! This is why I am saying goodbye to college sports. Not renewing my football season tickets! Didn’t make a single basketball game this year. If the players don’t care, neither do I! This shit is way out of hand! That doesn’t include the crap with the BIG10 and SEC want to own all of college athletics. Who needs the drama? I’ll make it home for Homecoming, only because it was Homecoming 1981 when my wife and I got back together - other than that I am tired of college athletic drama and the losing way of Ball State football (which is what I told the people from Ball U when they called to ask why I had not renewed my season tickets after almost fifty years). |
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NIL
Apr 3, 2024 11:27:02 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 3, 2024 11:27:02 GMT -6
OBVIOUSLY I assume it's pay for play. Because it is. We agree about the. reality. The hypocrisy about it is not everyone wants it to be play for pay or admit it is, and it requires a legal fiction to enable it. |
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NIL
Apr 8, 2024 23:36:03 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 8, 2024 23:36:03 GMT -6
Cal supposedly leaving Kentucky in part due to Arkansas have a massive NIL collective
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NIL
Apr 9, 2024 6:45:20 GMT -6
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Post by CallingBS on Apr 9, 2024 6:45:20 GMT -6
This stuff is gross. I see some crazy stuff happening. These "donors" are going to get tired of being taken advantage of. Just wait until a kid gets paid a million bucks and then bolts for the rival and helps them win a championship... |
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Post by universityjim on Apr 9, 2024 7:10:29 GMT -6
You can bet not all of these big donors are the nicest kind of people. Cross the wrong person and a player who pulls this kind of crap might not come out if it so well.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 9, 2024 8:40:58 GMT -6
It should be considered a contract. If the kid breaks the contract, he pays it back. Or he loses eligibility.
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Post by universityjim on Apr 9, 2024 9:15:11 GMT -6
The NCAA is totally impotent when it comes to regulating NIL. I doubt eligibility could play into such a contract.
It would need to be a contract between the NIL collective or donor and the athlete. The school and/or NCAA could not be involved.
Coaches were doing this kind of crap long before the players started.
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Apr 9, 2024 10:15:49 GMT -6
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Post by fanatic4bsu on Apr 9, 2024 10:15:49 GMT -6
Was talking with a group of friends the other day…this is “Pony Excess” on 30 For 30 all over again, this time it’s legal.
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NIL
Apr 9, 2024 11:40:27 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Apr 9, 2024 11:40:27 GMT -6
It should be considered a contract. If the kid breaks the contract, he pays it back. Or he loses eligibility. The contract is not with the school, though, and not at all regulated by the NCAA because they fear anti-trust action.
NCAA needs to get legislation from Congress to give them some kind of limit. OR. The drastic solution is to consider a move to make all FB players employees, and perhaps the "rank and file" players will want a union, which would give exemption.
This now seems much more likely to happen with the SEC/B10 maybe all of P4/5.
The NCAA, except maybe high level FB and BB does not seem to be a strong enough monopoly to deserve strict antitrust scrutiny. This mess looks like it will break high level FB away from the NCAA for sure. The D1 BB situation is looking pretty grim as well...
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Apr 9, 2024 11:54:59 GMT -6
Post by universityjim on Apr 9, 2024 11:54:59 GMT -6
It should be considered a contract. If the kid breaks the contract, he pays it back. Or he loses eligibility. The contract is not with the school, though, and not at all regulated by the NCAA because they fear anti-trust action.
NCAA needs to get legislation from Congress to give them some kind of limit. OR. The drastic solution is to consider a move to make all FB players employees, and perhaps the "rank and file" players will want a union, which would give exemption.
This now seems much more likely to happen with the SEC/B10 maybe all of P4/5.
The NCAA, except maybe high level FB and BB does not seem to be a strong enough monopoly to deserve strict antitrust scrutiny. This mess looks like it will break high level FB away from the NCAA for sure. The D1 BB situation is looking pretty grim as well...
You can't make just football players employees. It would have to be all athletes. |
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Apr 9, 2024 12:13:40 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Apr 9, 2024 12:13:40 GMT -6
The contract is not with the school, though, and not at all regulated by the NCAA because they fear anti-trust action.
NCAA needs to get legislation from Congress to give them some kind of limit. OR. The drastic solution is to consider a move to make all FB players employees, and perhaps the "rank and file" players will want a union, which would give exemption.
This now seems much more likely to happen with the SEC/B10 maybe all of P4/5.
The NCAA, except maybe high level FB and BB does not seem to be a strong enough monopoly to deserve strict antitrust scrutiny. This mess looks like it will break high level FB away from the NCAA for sure. The D1 BB situation is looking pretty grim as well...
You can't make just football players employees. It would have to be all athletes. That would be true if NIL become a big issue outside BB and FB. Those sports are the likely collective bargaining units with common interest. The golfers and others where there is not much revenue and no NIL conflicts (yet) seem unlikely to be grouped with the sports where there is high revenue. Industries often have a company with multiple bargaining units with separate unions, and there are non union shops.
The "scholarship" model can still be sensible where a sport is not producing revenue.
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Apr 9, 2024 12:28:52 GMT -6
Post by universityjim on Apr 9, 2024 12:28:52 GMT -6
Well I read that some of the LSU women basketball players are making over 1.5 million in NIL, so I think it is beyond just football and men's basketball. And then there is Livvy Dunne.
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