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Post by CallingBS on Feb 22, 2024 12:30:12 GMT -6
It's kind of weird, because Anderson's offensive stats look pretty good across the board, but something is definitely missing. He fades late in games, but that could be due partly to fatigue. It could also be due to supporting cast. He's single-handedly lost us a handful of games, but he's won a couple of games for us too. Jihad has been pretty bad lately despite still putting up some numbers. I think it's largely due to fatigue, but I also think he's forcing it a lot more...really pressing. Dare I suggest he might be trying to stat pad for a move? Bailey doesn't do anything for me. Up until the NIU game, most of his threes don't come when you really need them. He makes a lot of silly mistakes. My biggest issue with our guards is they just don't seem to be kids who find a way to win, and they're horrible defensively. They'd never play for the better coaches in the league because of those factors alone. Will Doughty ever play or be a factor? I'm starting to have my doubts, as his injury seems to have gotten worse. It's mental with Anderson. Something doesn't go right and he has a meltdown. I think he's got the potential to be a really good player. Mental is his missing piece and that is huge. Jihad is a warrior but he tries to do too much himself. Jones doesn't look to score. He passes up really good shots. He must not be confident in that part of his game at this level. So basically we've got four scoring options when he is on the floor and other teams should see that. We need him to get past that. Middleton I think is a keeper. I think it's also a bit of physical limitations. He's not near as quick as the elite guards in the league.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 22, 2024 17:45:44 GMT -6
Yea you have always been able to suggest to a player yea it might be best for you to move along. We suggested it to Hendricks a couple times even under whit. We do it in football in mass numbers every year but sometimes kids just say thats fine Ill ride the bench. They show up they practice they ride the bench they graduate. Some of these kids would not have the money to be in school other wise.. Do you want to be the guy tells a kid later after you promised him the world to get him? Football the numbers are so large enough leave or quit it does not matter.. Basketball you got 12 spots you can tell that guy on the end hey can you move on but if hes content are you a big enough asshole to just cut him.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 22, 2024 17:50:25 GMT -6
Doughty is a weird one he played two really good games against tge best player in the country.. You look at his other numbers and they are very average for a 6-10 kid playing against johnny mark steve and Jon.. What is ge really
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 22, 2024 21:52:07 GMT -6
Doughty is a weird one he played two really good games against tge best player in the country.. You look at his other numbers and they are very average for a 6-10 kid playing against johnny mark steve and Jon.. What is ge really Yes. After the splash he made in the state tourney, I looked up his season stats and was puzzled.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 22, 2024 22:06:21 GMT -6
As I've said before, I expect significant roster turnover before next year. But, I don't think it requires massive roster turnover for us to have a MAC championship level team.
If we can choose the four players we want to jettison, I think we need a good point guard that Middleton can back-up and a big guy in the paint. Those 2 players in addition to the 2 kids already signed.
If Jihad stays. If Jones and Middleton progress. If Doughty can get and stay healthy. There's enough talent there to win the MAC, which just ain't that good ... if Lewis can coach.
A lot of ifs. Maybe too many. But since I've given up on this year, I've turned my hope to next year. Hope that Lewis is as self-critical as he is outwardly of others, that he recognizes what hasn't worked and can correct it. Hope that Jihad just loves BSU. Hope that the three previously mentioned freshmen can be healthy and improved as sophomores. Hope that the rest of the roster either commits to staying and improving or decides to move on. At this point, that's all I got.
BTW, I assume folks do realize that there are only 3 Whitford players left on this team. They happen to be 3 of the only 7 or so players who are healthy and see court time. They account for about 40% of everything that happens on the court ... good and bad.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 23, 2024 7:23:36 GMT -6
Doughty is a weird one he played two really good games against tge best player in the country.. You look at his other numbers and they are very average for a 6-10 kid playing against johnny mark steve and Jon.. What is ge really I think it's motivation.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 23, 2024 7:25:52 GMT -6
BTW, I assume folks do realize that there are only 3 Whitford players left on this team. They happen to be 3 of the only 7 or so players who are healthy and see court time. They account for about 40% of everything that happens on the court ... good and bad. That's overlooking the fact that Jihad is by far the leading scorer and by far the leading rebounder and maybe the only above-average MAC player on the team. If you replaced Jihad with a player typical of what Lewis has recruited so far, what would we have? We would be lucky to have 5 wins, even given the #328 non-conf schedule and the patsy-filled MAC.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 23, 2024 9:09:16 GMT -6
BTW, I assume folks do realize that there are only 3 Whitford players left on this team. They happen to be 3 of the only 7 or so players who are healthy and see court time. They account for about 40% of everything that happens on the court ... good and bad. That's overlooking the fact that Jihad is by far the leading scorer and by far the leading rebounder and maybe the only above-average MAC player on the team. If you replaced Jihad with a player typical of what Lewis has recruited so far, what would we have? We would be lucky to have 5 wins, even given the #328 non-conf schedule and the patsy-filled MAC. That doesn't seem very far off, about right, for a team that would have lost 6 of it's top 7 players from last year, on the assumption we didn't have Jihad, and had 2 of it's newcomers, both expected to contribute, shelved with injury.
Mills has it right, and I don't really understand why you think having 3 holdovers who contribute in our coaches second year as coach is somehow a recruiting failure. With new players and player development he had to replace 80%+ of our total production which was lost by transfer and graduation last year.
Every MAC team out there has more players, with more past experience on the team contributing a greater amount than we do. No team lost as much production. Few teams have players who improved as much as Jihad. In fact, Jihad's greatly increased production this year would seem a good reason to think the coach has done something right.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 23, 2024 9:48:07 GMT -6
The overwhelmingly most common pattern is that coaches who succeed in recruiting initially generally keep recruiting well, and coaches who fail in their initial recruiting generally keep recruiting poorly until they are let go.
There are exceptions, but exceptions are exceptions and not the thing most reasonable to expect.
I'm just a little tired, after 2+ decades, of hoping for exceptions and getting excuses instead.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 23, 2024 10:25:37 GMT -6
The overwhelmingly most common pattern is that coaches who succeed in recruiting initially generally keep recruiting well, and coaches who fail in their initial recruiting generally keep recruiting poorly until they are let go. Have no idea what your statistical evidence is for past recruiting, but those statistics would not reflect the new era of the portal, where I doubt consistency for programs without NIL resources will be the case.
Besides, as calhoun and mills and I point out, the point is that this coach did not do so poorly this year at all.
To not "fail" to replace losses this year and improve would have required not one, but two or more home run recruits. That's probably not a result we'll see consistently from programs in the MAC. In any case, the evidence is hardly conclusive based on this year's class.
I don't put as much weight on that first class recruited late in the recruiting cycle, where it sure looks like Lewis swung and missed on newcomers, given his most important objective where he succeeded is retaining key players.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 23, 2024 11:30:39 GMT -6
My evidence can be found here: link
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 23, 2024 11:46:52 GMT -6
My evidence can be found here: linkYour evidence is for the years without the portal, and NIL, and where transfer is difficult. So, not very relevant to this year, don't you agree?
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 23, 2024 21:23:22 GMT -6
BTW, I assume folks do realize that there are only 3 Whitford players left on this team. They happen to be 3 of the only 7 or so players who are healthy and see court time. They account for about 40% of everything that happens on the court ... good and bad. That's overlooking the fact that Jihad is by far the leading scorer and by far the leading rebounder and maybe the only above-average MAC player on the team. If you replaced Jihad with a player typical of what Lewis has recruited so far, what would we have? We would be lucky to have 5 wins, even given the #328 non-conf schedule and the patsy-filled MAC. Jihad has been the best player for us, no doubt. I guess his 19.1 ppg leads the team "by far" although Anderson's 15.3 ppg doesn't seem that far behind. Jihad also leads the team with 90 turnovers. I guess that's "by far," too, although Anderon's 72 doesn't seem that far behind. However, I'll make the assumption that Jihad is eating up a lot of our recruiting "salary cap," however much that might be. Anderson may be getting some, too. And could it be that Coleman skipped town with some cash with his late departure? I wonder how much was left for others. I also wonder if Lewis could have recruited similar players (to Jihad and Coleman) from the portal if he had comparable "cap space" to offer them. Don't know that we'll know that answer. We need Rob to give us the recruiting low-down on who we might have missed on. I think Lewis actually did better with his high school recruiting than the portal, but high school recruiting may be easier pickins these days. With so many portal athletes available, maybe high school kids are considered the low-hanging fruit of the recruiting world. Nevertheless, I think Doughty, Jones and Middleton have promise ... if they stay. I don't really think Anderson and Bailey were terrible portal pick-ups, although I think Anderson has played out of position most of the year and I would have preferred if Bailey's role had been not so much full-time and a little more situational. I wish we could have done better in the portal instead of offering Brown and Zagorsak. Either might develop but they seem a long way off. And we may never know what Brittain-Watts would have been. Right now we seem to have wasted 4 years of scholarships with Bell and Adams. I think the glaring omission in recruiting has been a good point guard. Maybe Brittain-Watts was supposed to be that, but whatever the plan was with that role it certainly failed. So, in general, yeah there's a lot of room for improvement in Lewis' recruiting so far. Finally, I'll just say that there seems to be an insinuation that because Whitford-recruited players have played such a prominent role this year, we must have somehow "traded down" when we got rid of Whitford and hired Lewis. I just think that's so far off base its laughable. As bad as this season has been, maybe we should take note that our 5 MAC wins this year surpasses our total number of MAC wins in Whitford's first TWO seasons, because, you know, he had to install ... whatever the hell it was he was installing.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 23, 2024 21:52:29 GMT -6
As far as me filling anyone in I dont know just knowvwe had a couple we did not get because others had more Nil..
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 24, 2024 7:00:19 GMT -6
As far as me filling anyone in I dont know just knowvwe had a couple we did not get because others had more Nil.. Even if not home run recruits missed, we'd have had a couple more reliable bench players.
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