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Post by chirprising on Aug 6, 2024 16:29:19 GMT -6
Totally agree, Rob, that it just seems nuts to, all of a sudden, COMPLETELY flip on all that's been said, especially when it adds to the offense. That said though, maybe the logic is to allow Kelly to completely work on the defensive side of the ball without interruptionS. There is something to be said to being focused exclusively on defensive, especially when you have not played on that side of the ball in college. Maybe that's what the first week of camp has revealed? The other factor here that might explain the flip-flop is simply having healthy bodies at the position... |
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Post by cardfan on Aug 6, 2024 16:41:44 GMT -6
Totally agree, Rob, that it just seems nuts to, all of a sudden, COMPLETELY flip on all that's been said, especially when it adds to the offense. That said though, maybe the logic is to allow Kelly to completely work on the defensive side of the ball without interruptionS. There is something to be said to being focused exclusively on defensive, especially when you have not played on that side of the ball in college. Maybe that's what the first week of camp has revealed? The other factor here that might explain the flip-flop is simply having healthy bodies at the position... My initial take is they don’t want to take away reps at db yet. He’s new there. Could be Mac season where they integrate Kelly into the o. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 6, 2024 19:02:57 GMT -6
all true statements all make sense.. What doesnt make sense iis mike flip flopping like he has. you spend six months oh kelly is going to everywhere. Now its we have no plans for him to be on offense we might discuss it later. I just want to know what changed in two weeks since media day.. All Neu had to say is we are still looking at ways to use Kelly to the best abilities. Then nobody niotices or if they do its easily dodged
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Post by cardfan on Aug 6, 2024 19:40:10 GMT -6
Mike is a politician.
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Post by coastalcard on Aug 6, 2024 19:43:10 GMT -6
…and better at that than coaching. Obviously has made him a nice income |
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Post by mattg on Aug 7, 2024 8:54:57 GMT -6
The doubt and indecision of how to use Kelly continues to drain or at least strain the self confidence and self worth that exists. If the level gets too low like Lake Mead did then the bones and all the other broken objects are exposed. In people those objects are the emergence of self doubt. I would like to see Kelly transfer as did Jon Paddock to get out from under the bull shit of ineptness holding back the journey of becoming. I hope this statement is totally wrong and this will be a season of fulfillment. I read today an article ranking the 30 worst stadiums in the country. The MAC had 5 out of the thirty. Kent 17, Buffalo 23, NIU 25, U.Mass 26, Ball State 28, Akron 29. Also IU at 11 and Vanderbilt 4. Vandy’s stadium post-renovation is going to look pretty sweet. Not sure all of that will be done by the time we play them though? |
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Post by chirprising on Aug 7, 2024 9:52:48 GMT -6
all true statements all make sense.. What doesnt make sense iis mike flip flopping like he has. you spend six months oh kelly is going to everywhere. Now its we have no plans for him to be on offense we might discuss it later. I just want to know what changed in two weeks since media day.. All Neu had to say is we are still looking at ways to use Kelly to the best abilities. Then nobody niotices or if they do its easily dodged Agree with you here Rob...the word that comes to mind is 'unnecessary'...so many different ways to manage this situation including your suggestion which would have been the best way...and given the history I wouldn't say anything that would indicate any kind of uncertainty or indecision. Have to wonder what Kelly is thinking especially when being a gadget guy was apparently the key reason he returned. That aside this early in the season I'm going to try and stay positive and go out on a huge limb and say that two weeks into camp Neu has seen enough on the offensive side of the ball, and specifically backup QB, WR and Special Teams, to decide he doesn't need Kelly on that side of the ball. Or maybe that's Elliott's call. |
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Post by redbirdman on Aug 7, 2024 10:10:46 GMT -6
You recruit a running QB let him run. We were much better the last half of 23 than the 1st now Coach Neu is going with what he likes which is fine accept for Kelly. The kid got screwed over & it will be worse if this year he plays on defense or sits on the sidelines. What a waste of four years. Glad my job is not riding on it.
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Post by villagepub on Aug 7, 2024 10:54:40 GMT -6
The doubt and indecision of how to use Kelly continues to drain or at least strain the self confidence and self worth that exists. If the level gets too low like Lake Mead did then the bones and all the other broken objects are exposed. In people those objects are the emergence of self doubt. I would like to see Kelly transfer as did Jon Paddock to get out from under the bull shit of ineptness holding back the journey of becoming. I hope this statement is totally wrong and this will be a season of fulfillment. I read today an article ranking the 30 worst stadiums in the country. The MAC had 5 out of the thirty. Kent 17, Buffalo 23, NIU 25, U.Mass 26, Ball State 28, Akron 29. Also IU at 11 and Vanderbilt 4. Vandy’s stadium post-renovation is going to look pretty sweet. Not sure all of that will be done by the time we play them though? As of May www.bartonmalow.com/projects/vanderbilt-master-athletics-plan/ |
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 7, 2024 11:28:34 GMT -6
all true statements all make sense.. What doesnt make sense iis mike flip flopping like he has. Agree with you here Rob...the word that comes to mind is 'unnecessary'...so many different ways to manage this situation Would not be surprised the new OC is much less influenced by last year and Neu is supporting his decisio
It certainly is possible coaches have seen something that has changed their initial view. Or that their past statements were more politics than careful analysis.
It is good to ask what is best for Kelly. How Kelly is now thinking about the "gadget guy" role may or may not be an issue. His best bet for a future in FB is using his athleticism.
Kickoffs, punt returns, Dback all are very good ways to use that. Occasional reps in the backfield may or may not be for his best interest. |
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Post by CardsFB1 on Aug 9, 2024 5:39:56 GMT -6
Agree with you here Rob...the word that comes to mind is 'unnecessary'...so many different ways to manage this situation Would not be surprised the new OC is much less influenced by last year and Neu is supporting his decisio
It certainly is possible coaches have seen something that has changed their initial view. Or that their past statements were more politics than careful analysis.
It is good to ask what is best for Kelly. How Kelly is now thinking about the "gadget guy" role may or may not be an issue. His best bet for a future in FB is using his athleticism.
Kickoffs, punt returns, Dback all are very good ways to use that. Occasional reps in the backfield may or may not be for his best interest. I am guessing that OC Elliott was given the rope to try to save Neu's job. To being honest, this is probably Mike's last season - lost too much from last season. If we don't have a winning season, it will be 8 out of 9 losing seasons! His blind loyalty to coaches has been his Achilles heal. |
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2024 6:31:51 GMT -6
Hard to predict anything with turnover, new OC. Not much reason for great optimism, I agree.
We know Kelly has some gifts, everybody wants him to have success.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 9, 2024 9:19:05 GMT -6
Would not be surprised the new OC is much less influenced by last year and Neu is supporting his decisio
It certainly is possible coaches have seen something that has changed their initial view. Or that their past statements were more politics than careful analysis.
It is good to ask what is best for Kelly. How Kelly is now thinking about the "gadget guy" role may or may not be an issue. His best bet for a future in FB is using his athleticism.
Kickoffs, punt returns, Dback all are very good ways to use that. Occasional reps in the backfield may or may not be for his best interest. I am guessing that OC Elliott was given the rope to try to save Neu's job. To being honest, this is probably Mike's last season - lost too much from last season. If we don't have a winning season, it will be 8 out of 9 losing seasons! His blind loyalty to coaches has been his Achilles heal. This is correct we have just been not willing to change enough over the course of his tenure and loyality with not only coaches but players has cost us. Coaching has been at best suspect in many scenarios. Player development has not been a thing unless your a starter(meaning we lock in on a guy and he is the guy come hell or high water) something happens to that guy we have not had the next guy ready thats always an issue but it seems magnified here. The Kelly situation has been a cluster since the day he walked on campus the staff has done him no favors.. They should have just let him walk with no hard feelings from anyone but instead lured him back and its going to end in anger |
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Post by david75bsu on Aug 9, 2024 12:35:56 GMT -6
Would not be surprised the new OC is much less influenced by last year and Neu is supporting his decisio
It certainly is possible coaches have seen something that has changed their initial view. Or that their past statements were more politics than careful analysis.
It is good to ask what is best for Kelly. How Kelly is now thinking about the "gadget guy" role may or may not be an issue. His best bet for a future in FB is using his athleticism.
Kickoffs, punt returns, Dback all are very good ways to use that. Occasional reps in the backfield may or may not be for his best interest. I am guessing that OC Elliott was given the rope to try to save Neu's job. To being honest, this is probably Mike's last season - lost too much from last season. If we don't have a winning season, it will be 8 out of 9 losing seasons! His blind loyalty to coaches has been his Achilles heal. Brady Hoke became a good coach and had success when he gave up trying oversee the offense side of the ball and concentrated on the defense. Neu would, IMO, be more successful as the head coach if he’d totally hand off the defense and concentrate on the offense and in particular the quarterback! As with most on this board, we want(ed) Neu to succeed! To date, it’s been a total train wrecks! |
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Post by sdacardinal on Aug 9, 2024 13:55:31 GMT -6
The best thing for Kelly is to transfer to Toledo and become another Finn ( I think that was his name)
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