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Post by cardfan on Nov 24, 2024 8:49:31 GMT -6
Bowick will be a stud and get paid well at a P5 next year. Saving his eligibility this year will make him even more attractive. Kid was electric in the games he did play for us and it’s a shame he wasn’t available till mid season. And it’s a shame Ty Robinson stayed and worked his way back only to get hurt on the first freakin play of the season. I think that kinda served as a harbinger of how the season was going to go. The only answer at this point was to let Mike go and start fresh next season. Hopefully the powers that be will make a good selection and they will do it in a timely manner to give the new coach full use of the signing period and portal. (Can’t trust a search committee on that unless bsu has given timeline expectations as part of the contract) I’d really prefer Jeff Mitchell be in charge of the search. But, maybe they’ll identify and forward some good choices for Mitchell to pick from.
The portal will taketh away but it will also giveth. A rebuild could happen quickly if the right guy is hired. Going to have to embrace the have gun will travel philosophy these players have now. Also need to embrace hiring a guy who expects to move on to his next job within 3/4 years. If he’s good enough to accomplish that we will have had success on the field.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 24, 2024 13:36:08 GMT -6
Yet someone else with inside sources is telling us most guys are looking forward to a change and there’s enough pride inside the locker room to go out and compete……. We have good kids & playing hard in spite of no being bowl-eligible. I am hearing that no one is missing Neu. Mike was demeaning towards the kids by blaming the players vs. himself for the losses. If mike did this he did it behind closed doors. Every presser he took every ounce of blame.. But frankly the kids are the ones missing blocks throwing interceptions dropping balls etc.. Both are equally to be blamed. I have a son he is a pretty talented highschool freshman. While playing corner he got beat for a TD in man to man.. He blamed the coach cause the coach told him play off when he wanted to press. I marched his ass in front of a mirror and said did your coach blow the coverage? I said look ib the mirror son that TD is on the guy looking back |
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 24, 2024 16:56:40 GMT -6
We have good kids & playing hard in spite of no being bowl-eligible. I am hearing that no one is missing Neu. Mike was demeaning towards the kids by blaming the players vs. himself for the losses. If mike did this he did it behind closed doors. Every presser he took every ounce of blame.. But frankly the kids are the ones missing blocks throwing interceptions dropping balls etc.. Both are equally to be blamed. I have a son he is a pretty talented highschool freshman. While playing corner he got beat for a TD in man to man.. He blamed the coach cause the coach told him play off when he wanted to press. I marched his ass in front of a mirror and said did your coach blow the coverage? I said look ib the mirror son that TD is on the guy looking back That's good parenting right there. Regarding Neu and his staff, however, we've been a fundamentals and discipline trainwreck since his arrival. That's on the staff. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 24, 2024 20:58:05 GMT -6
The portal will taketh away but it will also giveth. A rebuild could happen quickly if the right guy is hired. Portal success without NIL money is hard. In the MAC, HS recruiting, returning good players, and system still seem important. The big get in the portal can be icing on the cake. But you better have basic ingredients and a good baker.
The right guy will bring in some players from his previous stop, and good to fair staff, and as you say maybe grab a key player or two from the portal as we lose our best players. But he has to sell the middling solid players to stay, and coach them up.
IU did that, AND had NIL money, and had an easy schedule in the B10. A quick rebuild to current level I can buy, but we want to return to the top of the Mac, and that will be not be a quick process. If it can happen.
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Post by CardsFB1 on Nov 25, 2024 7:13:58 GMT -6
I agree - our Cards could back in contention quickly. We are the only G5 school in the state to recruit the kids that the Big10 don't want and recruit Chicago & Detroit. Plenty of talent to pull from.
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Post by 47306fan on Nov 25, 2024 8:08:06 GMT -6
We have good kids & playing hard in spite of no being bowl-eligible. I am hearing that no one is missing Neu. Mike was demeaning towards the kids by blaming the players vs. himself for the losses. If mike did this he did it behind closed doors. Every presser he took every ounce of blame.. But frankly the kids are the ones missing blocks throwing interceptions dropping balls etc.. Both are equally to be blamed. I have a son he is a pretty talented highschool freshman. While playing corner he got beat for a TD in man to man.. He blamed the coach cause the coach told him play off when he wanted to press. I marched his ass in front of a mirror and said did your coach blow the coverage? I said look ib the mirror son that TD is on the guy looking back CardFan, funny you say that. I heard the same thing from several players and families how demeaning Neu and Elliot are. Neu in particular. Screaming at players telling them how bad they are, and that they’d never make it, breaking down kids' confidence levels instead of building them up. …. Most players seem to really like Johnson. Consistent consensus on Lynch. Clueless. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 25, 2024 11:19:03 GMT -6
If mike did this he did it behind closed doors. Every presser he took every ounce of blame.. But frankly the kids are the ones missing blocks throwing interceptions dropping balls etc.. Both are equally to be blamed. I have a son he is a pretty talented highschool freshman. While playing corner he got beat for a TD in man to man.. He blamed the coach cause the coach told him play off when he wanted to press. I marched his ass in front of a mirror and said did your coach blow the coverage? I said look ib the mirror son that TD is on the guy looking back CardFan, funny you say that. I heard the same thing from several players and families how demeaning Neu and Elliot are. Neu in particular. Screaming at players telling them how bad they are, and that they’d never make it, breaking down kids' confidence levels instead of building them up. …. That could be true in some cases. However. After some of the games some of the players had, how exactly do you build them up?
Very often the coach is most upset when the player has ability and is not responding to coaching. If he's playing a truly sub par kid, my guess is the message is different. If the coach put the kid in a position where he was bound to fail, it is on the coach, but when the player can do better...Accept that calmly?
Sure, there is some limit to harsh response. But, what do kids and parents expect when coaches work all week with kids and are fighting fighting for their jobs? No emotion?
FB players are usually competitive and want to do well. But. Correcting errors is essential. Students today in the classroom and in sports don't want grades, they want to keep doing what they are doing and for the results to be different. Too often the old saying is true, you have the will to win, but not the will to prepare to win which means unpleasant effort to prepare, looking hard at weakness, and eliminating errors.
"Don't do that, you are so good, I am shocked you made a bonehead mistake... Oops, I mean you are so good. It's just a damn shame they threw it where you were supposed to be in coverage. Just like we worked on in practice."
Our staff worked hard, built up these kids by coaching them, and by playing them. Where is the right balance?
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 25, 2024 11:23:36 GMT -6
I agree - our Cards could back in contention quickly. We are the only G5 school in the state to recruit the kids that the Big10 don't want and recruit Chicago & Detroit. Plenty of talent to pull from. OK. We should be the best G5 school in Indiana in HS recruiting! Sold...
But then we don't just compete with B10 schools or G5 schools in Indiana for all that HS talent. The entire MAC is in those recruiting areas as well as many other G5 schools.
But, recruiting HS talent is not the problem with quick turn around. You don't win with freshmen. This is the NIL era. We win those HS recruiting battles and coach the kid for a year or so, and if he can then be a game changer, we have a new problem. Everyone else is now recruiting him.
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Post by chirprising on Nov 25, 2024 13:00:17 GMT -6
CardFan, funny you say that. I heard the same thing from several players and families how demeaning Neu and Elliot are. Neu in particular. Screaming at players telling them how bad they are, and that they’d never make it, breaking down kids' confidence levels instead of building them up. …. That could be true in some cases. However. After some of the games some of the players had, how exactly do you build them up?
Very often the coach is most upset when the player has ability and is not responding to coaching. If he's playing a truly sub par kid, my guess is the message is different. If the coach put the kid in a position where he was bound to fail, it is on the coach, but when the player can do better...Accept that calmly?
Sure, there is some limit to harsh response. But, what do kids and parents expect when coaches work all week with kids and are fighting fighting for their jobs? No emotion?
FB players are usually competitive and want to do well. But. Correcting errors is essential. Students today in the classroom and in sports don't want grades, they want to keep doing what they are doing and for the results to be different. Too often the old saying is true, you have the will to win, but not the will to prepare to win which means unpleasant effort to prepare, looking hard at weakness, and eliminating errors.
"Don't do that, you are so good, I am shocked you made a bonehead mistake... Oops, I mean you are so good. It's just a damn shame they threw it where you were supposed to be in coverage. Just like we worked on in practice."
Our staff worked hard, built up these kids by coaching them, and by playing them. Where is the right balance?
--- You have a fair point and one I agree with (and Rob's point, too). My feeling always was that it's better for me to expose you in practice than an opponent expose you in a game. And you will get exposed because if I can see it then you better believe our opponents can damn sure see it on film. Also, if you can't take being yelled at, then go do something else because if there's a fact in life it's that the sun rises and sets and coaches yell and scream...but I don't think that's what we are talking about here...as I understand it, Neu has a vindictive side...I've heard a couple of stories that if true would definitely change the 'Mike-is-a-nice guy' assumption that we've always made about him...not sure if it's true or just post-tenure bashing that always happens when a coach leaves...but it would explain why there is a not-missing-him feeling in the program. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 25, 2024 13:21:06 GMT -6
I do feel like guys got buried and wonder if it was Mike doing the burying. Players we thought could help that pretty much disappeared from the 2 deep and never really played again. Like a Danny Royster. What happened there? Wr who should have been out there. Running backs. Linebackers who had to have been more talented than who played. Etc. otoh, most players seemed to really have good feelings for Mike. Was that fake? Are we only hearing from some butthurt folks right now?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 25, 2024 13:35:40 GMT -6
Im way to old school for the new school thoughts of not busting a players ass when its called for.. You do that and your going to have a soft team and soft teams do not win football games..
I use my son as an example cause thats all I know.. How I was coached how he is coached and how he responds but I think its all timeless and relative.. I believe that a coaches job is too tell a player you fucked this up if thats in aggressive tone so be it.. The good ones will let that sink in then return and say that shit happens out it behind you we need you etc. If A kid reacts bad hangs his head then you might talk to him after practice again and build him back up a bit. If the kid then lets it eat at him its on the kid to snap out of it.. Football is the last remaining tough love sport and it has to be whether the tough comes from the head or position it has to be there. You can build trust love and culture but there has to be fear in the equation somewhere. After a tough game my son will say yea film is not going to be fun Im deff getting called out for that play I got cooked on.. A good coach calls you out says this shit cant happen.. Why did this happen? What can we do to make this not happen is this a physical or mental or mistake?
Now if you are just beating up a kid on the practice squad time and time again then yea thats wrong.. Fine line I guess
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Post by CardsFB1 on Nov 25, 2024 13:44:04 GMT -6
I do feel like guys got buried and wonder if it was Mike doing the burying. Players we thought could help that pretty much disappeared from the 2 deep and never really played again. Like a Danny Royster. What happened there? Wr who should have been out there. Running backs. Linebackers who had to have been more talented than who played. Etc. otoh, most players seemed to really have good feelings for Mike. Was that fake? Are we only hearing from some butthurt folks right now? Correct & Coach with tough love is fair. Demean and tear down is for gutless coaches. |
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Post by chirprising on Nov 25, 2024 17:33:33 GMT -6
I do feel like guys got buried and wonder if it was Mike doing the burying. Players we thought could help that pretty much disappeared from the 2 deep and never really played again. Like a Danny Royster. What happened there? Wr who should have been out there. Running backs. Linebackers who had to have been more talented than who played. Etc. otoh, most players seemed to really have good feelings for Mike. Was that fake? Are we only hearing from some butthurt folks right now? There's quite a few that makes you wonder...Royster is one of them, Presley is another, other players underutilized or buried without explanation...I think part of what we are seeing is that even guys who might have fared well under Mike might not have liked the way he treated their teammates...if there is one thing we know about this group of players is that they do battle for each other...we have to respect them for that... |
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 25, 2024 20:34:05 GMT -6
I do feel like guys got buried and wonder if it was Mike doing the burying. Players we thought could help that pretty much disappeared from the 2 deep and never really played again. Like a Danny Royster. What happened there? Wr who should have been out there. Running backs. Linebackers who had to have been more talented than who played. Etc. otoh, most players seemed to really have good feelings for Mike. Was that fake? Are we only hearing from some butthurt folks right now? One of the biggest mysteries of the Neu era is the complete mismanagement of the QB position and the talent they inherited and brought in over the years. There is zero denying that Mike Neu completely effed up the QB position during his tenure as head coach here. |
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