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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 22, 2020 18:47:00 GMT -6
It IS rational to think along the following lines: the colts are winning some games this year by wringing the last drops of productivity out of an old QB, and they Have no obvious way to put a quality player in the most important position on the field in the foreseeable future, so it would be silly for me to invest my attention and emotions in the colts at this point. That's the rock you build your fanhood on? I think you just described what's known in the industry as a "bandwagon fan". Well I was only trying to describe a hypothetical fan attitude that would explain the lack of buzz. But that does kind of describe my own attitude to tell you the truth. One of the pieces of wisdom I picked up as I got older was that there is no sort of moral imperative that dictates you have to follow a team that is only bringing you frustration and grief. Spectator sports are there to take or leave as it amuses you. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 22, 2020 21:44:51 GMT -6
Then, given your feelings about every program, why do you follow BSU sports?
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 22, 2020 22:10:41 GMT -6
I just have a ridiculous backlog of knowledge of mid-major basketball and BSU in particular from the days when I used to be a huge fan. It's always a bit interesting to try to analyze and predict a situation that you have extensive knowledge of. As I have said on here before, I finally realized I no longer had any emotional investment after I happened to see the Notre Dame win result a while back. One, I didn't even realize the game was that night, and two, I found I didn't care about the win.
It's really, really stupid to be emotionally involved in BSU basketball (unless of course you have some personal connection to a player or something like that). If you're emotionally involved, you really want to win but those who ultimately dictate the direction of the program are not particularly keen to win. It's a fundamental mismatch of priorities.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Dec 23, 2020 0:10:15 GMT -6
For me, I just don't find the NFL that fun to follow anymore. It peaked in popularity about 8-10 years ago and just doesn't seem to have the same intrigue it once did.
It was also more fun when the Colts were not only elite, but had real rivals. Colts-Pats was obviously a huge deal because of all the epic games between them, and knowing we were watching two of the best to ever play the game. To a lesser extent, the Manning-McNair matchups in the early 2000's were memorable as well. The Colts' offenses were so good, the Titans and Patriots had players faking injuries to stop the games. The Colts had multiple pursuits of perfect seasons, and often went into November without a loss. Compare that to today, where they never win season openers anymore.
It's not that I don't get any pleasure out of following the Colts, it's just different now.
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on Dec 24, 2020 5:59:50 GMT -6
The decline of NFL appeal began once all of the major networks started pushing hard on Fantasy which then put the focus squarely on the individual play loyalty, rather then team play and loyalty...
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Dec 24, 2020 10:31:08 GMT -6
The decline of NFL appeal began once all of the major networks started pushing hard on Fantasy which then put the focus squarely on the individual play loyalty, rather then team play and loyalty... I remember when fantasy became a big deal marveling at the genius in it. So many otherwise casual fans got so invested. But as a non-fantasy player I agree it has been detrimental to my experience. Rather than discussing playoff implications or just general small talk everyone I watch with is only focused on how their players are doing. My friends would be talking about individual players that I had never heard of on teams I do not care about. But they were all on the same page, so it made watching less fun. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 24, 2020 10:43:28 GMT -6
I stayed far away from fantasy sports because it's the sort of thing I could easily have become obsessed by. I treat it exactly like meth or crack in that respect....have never touched it and never will.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 9, 2021 18:32:40 GMT -6
So, I supported the pick up of Rivers as probably the best option in a fundamentally bad QB situation. The colts should consider themselves lucky to get the pretty decent production they did out of Rivers and would be even more lucky to get it again next season with the years continuing to mount up for him.
Rivers had what we might call slightly better than average NFL QB production and the colts were therefore able to slide into the lower reaches of playoff seeding and make a game effort. This is probably the ceiling of what can be hoped for in absence of a real franchise QB. But with the recent top draft picks being used on low positional value positions, the aging of the LT, #1 WR and QB (with no obvious replacements) make significant regression a good possibility in the near future.
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Post by bsutony on Jan 9, 2021 19:17:40 GMT -6
Any chance Eason will be good? The difference in the game today was minimal, but their QB was better than ours. Rivers is good enough to get you to the playoffs, but not good enough to win a super bowl. It takes an elite quarterback.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 9, 2021 19:29:27 GMT -6
The odds of Eason becoming a super bowl quality NFL qb are, I suppose, something above zero but certainly well under 50-50, or else he would have been drafted quite a bit higher. I haven't heard any indication that he exceeded his expectations this year in any way.
The only test for Ballard that really matters is finding a QB. If he can't do that, then the colts will just tread water for the foreseeable future. Not saying it will be easy, but that's just the reality of the situation. It's pretty easy, you know, to find a good OG with the #6 overall pick. It's not like someone is going to swoop in and take him ahead of you.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 9, 2021 20:39:34 GMT -6
3 years all pro is more than "pretty good" and drafting QB talent then was a crap shoot.
As for Eason we have very little information, in this season he got few reps in practice.
The reason he dropped in draft out of first round had to do with his transfer, and questions of maturity and judgement.
There is some chance this year helped him in that latter respect. He was in the QB room with two vets, had a sort of post grad research year.
Colts off season moves will tell us something.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 9, 2021 20:44:37 GMT -6
Any chance Eason will be good? The difference in the game today was minimal, but their QB was better than ours. Rivers is good enough to get you to the playoffs, but not good enough to win a super bowl. It takes an elite quarterback. At least an elite year by a QB. Or elite play when needed in the playoffs. Rivers best in this game would have won it. Even with all his limitations. This was not his best game. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 9, 2021 21:32:23 GMT -6
Any chance Eason will be good? The difference in the game today was minimal, but their QB was better than ours. Rivers is good enough to get you to the playoffs, but not good enough to win a super bowl. It takes an elite quarterback. I have 2 words for you: Trent Dilfer. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 9, 2021 21:33:44 GMT -6
This year's draft is deep for QBs. Some see us taking Mac Jones.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 9, 2021 22:17:34 GMT -6
I think Mac Jones is fine if your offensive line is absolutely physically dominate over all your opponents and you have the best receiver and running game at your level.
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