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Post by ballman on Jan 15, 2018 17:58:38 GMT -6
the past is a good indicator of future...so i do not expect Whit's coaching ability and recruitting philosophy to change. you are going to keep seeing small ball.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 18:08:39 GMT -6
but to say the staff has not recruited pretty good kids Wow "pretty good kids", you are obviously a man of high standards.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 15, 2018 18:18:21 GMT -6
Even Al Brown won a MAC tourney. In a year he would have been fired otherwise. (Got fired after the next season). He won that tourney because he had an alpha, a bell cow in Dan Palombizio and some nice pieces around him. We have the nice pieces but as everyone knows, still lack the alpha, the bell cow. Persons is close to that but it’s proving he can’t do it every night. He’s not even doing it every other night right now. Point being, we will continue to win 20 games or so with our nice pieces, especially with the MAC being meh these days, but the odds of winning the tourney to get the bid, or bring good enough to attract an NIT bid aren’t that good until Whit ups his recruiting game and snags that alpha. Will the current transfers make that difference next year. Hard to know at this time. Just know we probably can’t get beyond where we are with just nice pieces. He’ll continue to win enough to keep his job is the short answer to Lmills.
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 15, 2018 18:59:29 GMT -6
I suspect none of us at college age were much better than pretty good kids....
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 15, 2018 19:24:20 GMT -6
I suspect none of us at college age were much better than pretty good kids.... The way I went through college, I would have certainly been guilty of violating team rules. However, I did not go through college on scholarship that might have limited, or forbade, my "recreational" opportunities. Had that been the case and had I had mentors (i.e., coaches) and had my actions affected more than myself (i.e., teammates), I would like to think I could have altered my behavior quite easily. Hell, with some tutoring I might have even raised my GPA.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 15, 2018 19:44:35 GMT -6
but to say the staff has not recruited pretty good kids Wow "pretty good kids", you are obviously a man of high standards. I asked before if you had ever met any of our current or past players under Whitfords regime. Have you? I have and I’ve yet to meet one who wasn’t polite, personable and a fairly typical 18-22 year-old kid. Not perfect but good kids. What the hell is your beef and why are you belaboring something that’s just not true?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 15, 2018 19:56:36 GMT -6
Wow "pretty good kids", you are obviously a man of high standards. I asked before if you had ever met any of our current or past players under Whitfords regime. Have you? I have and I’ve yet to meet one who wasn’t polite, personable and a fairly typical 18-22 year-old kid. Not perfect but good kids. What the hell is your beef and why are you belaboring something that’s just not true? I've met maybe half the team and I will agree all are very polite and seem like good kids. I will go further and say they are much more polite/personable/friendly than the football team as a whole. That might be just a difference in the mentality of a football player VS a basketball player. Now no one go and twist what I say. There are a lot of great guys on the football team but there are also some boneheads
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 15, 2018 20:11:40 GMT -6
Wow "pretty good kids", you are obviously a man of high standards. I asked before if you had ever met any of our current or past players under Whitfords regime. Have you? I have and I’ve yet to meet one who wasn’t polite, personable and a fairly typical 18-22 year-old kid. Not perfect but good kids. What the hell is your beef and why are you belaboring something that’s just not true? My impression as well. And watching the kids work, how they get along with each other also says a lot. A truly bad apple on a team stands out in other ways than just getting in trouble.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 15, 2018 20:15:48 GMT -6
So Cardfan, it sounds like a MAC tourney championship and NCAA berth would not impress you and would be basically considered a fluke ... or at least not a significant sign of progress/improvement.
It also sounds like the only thing that would convince you to extend Whitford again would be the recruiting of a true Alpha.
Does that sound right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:20:05 GMT -6
Wow "pretty good kids", you are obviously a man of high standards. I asked before if you had ever met any of our current or past players under Whitfords regime. Have you? I have and I’ve yet to meet one who wasn’t polite, personable and a fairly typical 18-22 year-old kid. Not perfect but good kids. What the hell is your beef and why are you belaboring something that’s just not true? Gosh I didn't realize insinuating some of them are "knuckleheads" would get you so wound-up.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 15, 2018 20:31:34 GMT -6
So Cardfan, it sounds like a MAC tourney championship and NCAA berth would not impress you and would be basically considered a fluke ... or at least not a significant sign of progress/improvement. It also sounds like the only thing that would convince you to extend Whitford again would be the recruiting of a true Alpha. Does that sound right? No. What I meant was even a not so great coach like Al Brown, who was on his way to being fired, managed to win a MAC tourney, and did so because he had a player to lead the way. So whit ought to be able to do the same but because he doesn’t have “that guy” it’ll be a chore to get it done. I WILL be impressed if whit can get us to the ncaa tourney. Championships and ncaa bids are the goal. I’m just saying it looks like he hasn’t recruited all the pieces needed to do it. We’re much closer but not there yet. The hard question to answer is, do you keep extending a guy even if he can’t/doesn’t win a championship but wins 20 games. The bsu tendency is to continue extending coaches even if they don’t necessarily deserve it. And it would be hard not to do that if he’s a consistent 20 game winner even if he never wins a championship. But how long will fans stay interested in that, assuming they ever do get interested??
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 15, 2018 21:20:47 GMT -6
I asked before if you had ever met any of our current or past players under Whitfords regime. Have you? I have and I’ve yet to meet one who wasn’t polite, personable and a fairly typical 18-22 year-old kid. Not perfect but good kids. What the hell is your beef and why are you belaboring something that’s just not true? Gosh I didn't realize insinuating some of them are "knuckleheads" would get you so wound-up. Oh my bad. I thought we were discussing debacles and all of the recruiting rejects and convicts that make up our roster.
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Post by mattg on Jan 16, 2018 12:06:32 GMT -6
This has been an entertaining board to read! I definitely feel like recruiting a strong post player would help, but height shouldn't be the major determining factor. I think Perkins from Buffalo is 6'7" or 6'8"? He ate Trey and Tahjai for lunch. Someone of his size but more importantly his gameplay mindset is what we could use. All of our players for the most part are finesse players. We a need a bull in the china shop type of guy. Someone who's mindset is "hit you in the mouth" until you stop me. Our post play is more like "hide or go around you so you don't hit me".
I also think Tahjai should stop hanging out at the perimeter and slash to the basket more, even if he doesn't have the ball. He should be offensive rebounding more than what he his. His ability to tip balls back in is very good so just getting him close to the offensive rebounds has a way better chance of helping us then shooting 2-25 or whatever he is from the perimeter.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 16, 2018 12:22:11 GMT -6
Exactly. We aren't asking for a 7 footer, we just need a bad ass in the middle. Moses is 6'9. But he is not a bad ass. Great kid, but not a bad ass. Bill Gillis was a bad man in there. He was 6'7. Paris Mccurdy, 6'7 (well, more like 6'5, but whatever). Curtis Kidd, 6'8. Hell, Dave Broz and Ryan Reed were wildmen in there but not skilled. But they'd foul the hell out of you. We lack an "enforcer" mentality.
And yes, Teague ought to always be flashing to the rim with his skill set. How many tip dunks would he have by now? He could clean up a lot of garbage if his style of play was to be constantly going to the rim instead of hanging around outside.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jan 16, 2018 12:25:22 GMT -6
I was just thinking that yesterday about Teague. Having him shoot from the perimeter is a double whammy because he's not there to rebound.
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