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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 8, 2015 8:36:18 GMT -6
Maybe you meant "fecal".
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 8, 2015 15:38:41 GMT -6
Same rules apply though that was VMI which I think I was the first game, Had we kept winning the crowds would have remained consistent(maybe not as big but close)In 2008 when we were winning the crowds grew after each win culminating with the near sellout against WMU. Our fans are fickle and define bandwagon if we are winning and it becomes an event they will show if we are losing or even mediocre and its just another game no chance. The other solution is free beer that would work With football we do have beer at the tailgate, although not free, and we still are fair weather fans. Both literally and as you say in terms of better support when winning. If anything football is a harder sell, less inherent interest, much more competition for football fans on Saturday afternoon than in basketball. And on weekdays at least the students are here. Jim was arguing football was somehow better than basketball in terms of student support. I think we do very poorly in both sports, but basketball should be better if we can win some home games, not even at the level of a conference championship. It really is easier to get to Worthen than to a football game, it is only a 2 hour or so show, it is warm inside, and although we may not have beer, we do have dancers who you can see. This is still Indiana and basketball should be an easier sell. I think mediocre plus will get decent student crowds at basketball, and some of those pluses should make local attendance easier to sell. The real need for a bandwagon is local fans for football. Not much interest. Football is probably a better sell for alumni who make a big trip on a weekend, tailgating and all, there are advantages there for football. But I think we have locals and the alumni within 50 miles who could support a basketball team that wins. Very hard to see football making enough improvement at a ticket price that would create a profit, at least we could imagine that happening in basketball, and we have actually done it. |
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Dec 8, 2015 17:13:25 GMT -6
We need a decent product on the floor (I think that is making solid progress). I don't know why more students don't show up. Never understood it. When I lived in Indy(NE side) I never missed a basketball or football game unless weather conditions made it unsafe to drive (pushed the line there also).
Of course I attended games when at school as well, so I consider myself a die hard fan and will support even in bad times with my CVC contribution.
Hope more students and alums start supporting this team. To me, fair weather fans aren't really fans. Of course you like having them in the stands whenever you can get them, but they are not real supporters of a program. They are off the bandwagon at the sight of the first cloud.
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 8, 2015 22:09:21 GMT -6
We need an NCAA tournament appearance or two to begin to drive reasonable crowds back!! What's reasonable? Give me a figure. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 9, 2015 7:33:55 GMT -6
We need an NCAA tournament appearance or two to begin to drive reasonable crowds back!! What's reasonable? Give me a figure. Reasonable you ask? Expecting TWO teams to reach the NCAA before fans will go to the games would mean college sports really is dead. ONE team in the MAC goes each year. C'mon. Sure, maybe it would take that kind of performance by the football team to get the General to buy football season tickets. But, if we can't get reasonable crowds with a decent team that plays good basketball and represents BSU, we really should just close the doors on D1 basketball. It's one thing to say that a decade of disappointment hurts attendance and it is hard to rebuild interest, but that is ridiculous. |
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 9, 2015 8:50:47 GMT -6
What's reasonable? Give me a figure. Reasonable you ask? Expecting TWO teams to reach the NCAA before fans will go to the games would mean college sports really is dead. ONE team in the MAC goes each year. C'mon. Sure, maybe it would take that kind of performance by the football team to get the General to buy football season tickets. But, if we can't get reasonable crowds with a decent team that plays good basketball and represents BSU, we really should just close the doors on D1 basketball. It's one thing to say that a decade of disappointment hurts attendance and it is hard to rebuild interest, but that is ridiculous. I wasn't asking you (and you didn't answer the question anyway). I was asking the Kid for an attendance figure that he would equate with the term "reasonable." What is that? 6,000? 7,000? 8,000? 9,000? More? |
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 9, 2015 10:11:55 GMT -6
Just spot checking a few years, it looks like attendance during the middle, so-so, Ray McCallum years in the late 90's, we were consistently getting over 5500 and sometines in the 7000's.
In 2003-04, after Buckley had a while to work his magic, we were still over 4000 consistently and sometimes in the 5000's.
It looks like even the full dose of Buckley/Thompson/Taylor had not quite managed to push the typical crowd below 3000 in 2012-13.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 9, 2015 12:27:43 GMT -6
Reasonable you ask? Expecting TWO teams to reach the NCAA before fans will go to the games would mean college sports really is dead. ONE team in the MAC goes each year. I wasn't asking you (and you didn't answer the question anyway). I was asking the Kid for an attendance figure that he would equate with the term "reasonable." What is that? 6,000? 7,000? 8,000? 9,000? More? Kid is on the face of it unreasonable to say we need that much success, whatever number he was thinking of. That was my point. Even a consistently average MAC team should be able to draw 4-5K fans, a consistently competitive team but not necessarily outstanding, has done better in the past as the General points out. We can occasionally sell out if we have a good team and a good opponent, or maybe in games which really mean something. We will always have some games with low attendances, especially when students are gone. And we should not expect 8-9K for most game under any scenario short of national ranking and a total change in culture. |
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Post by rusty on Dec 9, 2015 19:54:30 GMT -6
It's all about establishing a winning culture, I do believe Whitford is trying to do just that. I'm pleased with most of their play and see them getting better as a team.
I'm pulling for Kid on the number of wins. 15 I'm hoping more.
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