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Post by zonebuster on Oct 4, 2022 8:24:58 GMT -6
We might talk someone into playing at worthern but big names at worthern are not ever really going to happen regularly. There is no positive for a big school doing that. Agree totally that there is no reason for bigger schools to come to Muncie. But, consistent winning will make a series with BSU more attractive. Budget constraints & economics will always drive our schedule to a great extent, but there are plenty of quality programs within a bus ride that we should strive to play: - Xavier - Dayton - Detroit Mercy - DePaul - Loyola Chicago - Western Kentucky - Bellarmine And that’s besides all of the in-state schools. I acknowledge we might have to accept some 2-for-1 deals initially. Again, it’ll take time & winning. But, hopefully, we will have seen last of the Earlham’s, DePauw’s & Indiana-Kokomo’s of the world!! |
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Lewis
Oct 4, 2022 8:27:04 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Oct 4, 2022 8:27:04 GMT -6
We agree it is very unlikely we are terrible. You're in the camp that says the coach is always the reason for poor outcomes, but there are other factors. Some beyond the control of coaching staff.
I believe you may, for example, ASSUME no serious injury issues to say that only poor coaching is a possible explanation for poor results. We might still escape being terrible with good coaching with a few injury or discipline issues, but with so many newcomers, it will take very good coaching to put together a better than average team with all hands on deck.
Did I mention how IU fans will make excuses? Right along with some other unwarranted assumptions.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 4, 2022 8:35:42 GMT -6
We might talk someone into playing at worthern but big names at worthern are not ever really going to happen regularly. There is no positive for a big school doing that. Agree totally that there is no reason for bigger schools to come to Muncie...but there are plenty of quality programs within a bus ride that we should strive to play...And that’s besides all of the in-state schools. I acknowledge we might have to accept some 2-for-1 deals initially. Again, it’ll take time & winning. But, hopefully, we will have seen last of the Earlham’s, DePauw’s & Indiana-Kokomo’s of the world!! I think that is the idea. I have no gripe with an exhibition game on the card with one of these teams, that may be par for the course.
A better home schedule will be great for season ticket revenue and generating student interest, and your idea that we take on games we might lose on their court is what we need to be prepared for the MAC wars. Home and home with good opponents is the best strategy.
Plus, a good record in those games over time will get us those early season tournament possibilities which is probably our best bet to get match ups with big boys.
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Lewis
Oct 8, 2022 13:53:16 GMT -6
Post by bsucrew on Oct 8, 2022 13:53:16 GMT -6
30 minutes.
5 minutes in talks about first college practices where RMK asked him if he wanted to play a lot or a little. "if you don't stop shooting, you'll sit next to me. We have some great scorers already, you aren't going to be a scorer, play defense, be tough, be a leader and a coach on the floor you'll play all you want."
About 8 or 9 minutes in talks about errors and goal that we don't let that make us lose. Mentions the banner in his college locker room about victory favoring the team that makes fewest errors.
Discusses the buy in of the team, the desire to win, cautions that they have not faced adversity yet and the staff has to prepare them for recovery from the times they will fail.
Just listened to this podcast today. I absolutely loved how transparent and honest he was, particularly regarding the expectations of the team. No indication of how the squad will do this year but positive first impression for me. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 9, 2022 7:58:08 GMT -6
So anyway, I think it's very reasonable to assume that, in 20 years, Lewis would have preferred to be a head coach, and got some interest, but was passed over for some reason. (some may want quibble and argue about this because their time is no longer occupied by making excuses for Jim Whitford).
I have a further theory that this could work out well for BSU. Lewis appears to me to be pretty old school. Old school is, by definition, not fashionable. Possibly this is why he was passed over? But even if old school is out of fashion, it can still be a very effective coaching style, if applied intelligently. E.g. Nick Sabin. Although a different sport, it's still dealing with college kids in the modern environment. And Sabin is both very old school and very successful, as his teams seem to win the national championship about half the time. So maybe BSU picked up an undervalued commodity in Lewis?
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Lewis
Oct 9, 2022 10:14:16 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2022 10:14:16 GMT -6
So anyway, I think it's very reasonable to assume that, in 20 years, Lewis would have preferred to be a head coach, and got some interest, but was passed over for some reason. At least you are no longer arguing that he was an assistant for 30 years.
Taking jobs at SFA and EIU weren't exactly bases for a meteoric rise...I am a little surprised he didn't do a bit better there.
And you are right he was "old school" even then.
2002–2004 Texas Tech (GA)
2004–2005 Stephen F. Austin (assistant)
2005–2011 Eastern Illinois (assistant)
2011–2016 Butler (assistant)
2016–2019 Nebraska (assistant)
2019–2022 UCLA (assistant)
2022–present Ball State
In the time from 2002- 2011 there is much chance he would have had opportunities that would represent a real move forward in his career. His "wants" or "preferences" were not very relevant then. He wasn't passing up much, if anything.
After that, EVERY move since leaving EIU is a move up in the coaching world. Good decisions, preference for good assistant jobs over lower level HC jobs, if any, is to me a more reasonable assumption about his preference than that he really wanted any of the hypothetical jobs and was "passed over."
The only time I think he may have considered such hypothetical interest would be when he left Butler. He might have been a candidate at D2 or low D1 school. Was that a better job than the B10 assistant job? In any case, the UCLA gig is an equal or better job than most low and mid level D1 HC jobs.
Undervalued? I don't think so. I don't think he belongs anywhere else!
Bottom line, he is a well qualified coach. And, the BSU job is not only a good fit on all counts, but any "old school" he has is a plus.
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Lewis
Oct 9, 2022 11:23:45 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Oct 9, 2022 11:23:45 GMT -6
So anyway, I think it's very reasonable to assume that, in 20 years, Lewis would have preferred to be a head coach, and got some interest, but was passed over for some reason. At least you are no longer arguing that he was an assistant for 30 years.
3 possibilities exist for you: 1) You should either find the post where I said that (which, by the way, does not exist) or 2) apologize for misrepresenting me or 3) be known as a liar. |
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Lewis
Oct 9, 2022 11:48:48 GMT -6
Post by villagepub on Oct 9, 2022 11:48:48 GMT -6
Seems like Lewis has a pretty decent relationship with Barry Collier. It would be nice to get the Butler v. BSU series back on track.
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Lewis
Oct 9, 2022 12:00:08 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2022 12:00:08 GMT -6
At least you are no longer arguing that he was an assistant for 30 years.
3 possibilities exist for you: 1) You should either find the post where I said that (which, by the way, does not exist) or 2) apologize for misrepresenting me or 3) be known as a liar. Really? That misrepresents what is in the thread above. I had supported mills when he asked a few pertinent questions about the coaching history. And you entered into this discussion with the claim that: redfeather makes a very good point. You can quibble all you want but Lewis spent a very long time as an assistant, and was passed over for all sorts of head positions that he seemingly would have been qualified for.
That post you were praising did state Lewis had a 30 year coaching history and you said it was a mere "quibble" to question that statement. I'd say 10 years is more than a quibble. Granting you added to the argument a lot of your own assumptions and have more or less ignored that they are likely faulty.
So, anyway, should I ASSUME you agree with the rest of my post just above that you partially quote?
That would be progress.
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 9, 2022 16:34:47 GMT -6
What a person with class would say: "Oh I'm sorry, I misremembered and confused someone else's post with you."
What a dick would say: (see above post)
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Lewis
Oct 9, 2022 17:14:51 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2022 17:14:51 GMT -6
What a person with class would say: "Oh I'm sorry... A person with class wouldn't be stretching to look for negatives with our new coach. No class in ASSUMING there was negative when there isn't anything on the record. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 9, 2022 17:29:43 GMT -6
At least you are no longer arguing that he was an assistant for 30 years.
3 possibilities exist for you: 1) You should either find the post where I said that (which, by the way, does not exist) or 2) apologize for misrepresenting me or 3) be known as a liar. He chose option 3 like 15 years ago and he’s stuck to it. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Oct 9, 2022 17:39:34 GMT -6
Here is what is funny. Our friend 00 made a fairly innocent mistake in confusing something someone else posted with something I posted. Not much of a big deal really...who can keep all the nonsense on this board complete straight in their heads? But he made a mistake in saying that I was "arguing" that Lewis was an assistant 30 years. In fact, I never said any such thing and in fact explicitly mentioned the figure of 20 years two different times in the course of the discussion here.
But you see, I knew...KNEW...that he would be unable to admit a mistake because I've seen enough of him around here. I admit that I then wrote the "3 possibilities" post to goad him because I knew he would be incapable of handling his mistake gracefully. I knew would have further amusement from his subsequent posts trying to obfuscate his mistake and justify himself. And I did have.
Maybe you could say I'm a dick myself for taking advantage of his weaknesses like that. Maybe so.
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Lewis
Oct 9, 2022 19:14:08 GMT -6
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Post by coastalcard on Oct 9, 2022 19:14:08 GMT -6
Count me ENTERTAINED! 😁
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Lewis
Oct 9, 2022 21:34:26 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 9, 2022 21:34:26 GMT -6
OK, glad the discussion has some merit. Although, maybe at best this is like the Marx Brothers...surely not as well written, but some slapstick comedy.
Enjoy.
I can't take most arguments made by my brothers Chico and Harpo that seriously, but do see little reason to go after Lewis on his coaching resume. He's ably qualified for the BSU job. That job isn't that great, but it will turn out to be a really good one for him if and only if he is a success. I'm all for hoping for that. Those are my principles and if you don't like them, I have others. |
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