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Oct 27, 2022 9:19:00 GMT -6
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 27, 2022 9:19:00 GMT -6
Guys we either play the devil we know or...we play the younger inexperienced underclassmen in hopes the playing time will assist them in the coming seasons. If your priority is some, ''Beefy Prime Granola Bowl'' that doesn't mean squat, then play in older guys and hope we limp home with a couple more wins. I would prefer to work in the younger kids and aim higher next year.
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Oct 27, 2022 9:38:53 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Oct 27, 2022 9:38:53 GMT -6
The question is whether a change makes us better, I am not sold on the idea of "trying out" players if the coaches see no real chance to improve AND the player is not a strong candidate to win the job next year. And there have been those games where Paddock becomes a different player in the second half and keeps us moving making good plays.
The impression I get from many here is that the OL would fail any of the QBs, but that Kelly might have a chance to run for his life and make a play.
Making a change where that is a big factor or where the real culprit is play calling or system not fitting the talent, is not a recipe for great improvement or much use in planning for the future. There is some reason to think that we could install some plays for Kelly, slip him into the lineup as something of a surprise or in situations where a designed run or rpo would be a better call than what we have been seeing, and the defense has also seen... Goal line packages or plays predictably a run come to mind.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 27, 2022 11:34:56 GMT -6
Yes you could make some packages for Kelly and I agree it would help. Why they have not is a mystery only they know.
Too start Kelly Lynch would have to start making a new playbook it would require a total change in philosophy and they would have to use every practice to get installed for next year. You then also might have to get new oline guys that can move if the current ones cant.. You would also need a decent speed or at least APB RB to run certain elements. Steele would still be the guy but there are just certain plays he would not be able to run well
We have O line problems 1 reason I say this is its fucking obvious. We get the Ball inside the 5 yard and have 4 plays to get 5 yards. We are giving the Ball to superman in his wheelhouse and failing to get to TDS. That right there should tell you all you need to know
The second way we know is we have offered at least 10 juco oline guys. You do not bring in jucos unless you have a problem with your starters or your depth. Jucos are quick fixes always have and are at best 50/50 to even make it to campus
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Post by cardfan on Oct 27, 2022 12:24:22 GMT -6
At least one of the oline recruits from last year didn't make it to campus. (Sam Buras) Don't know if that's a problem or if he's actually a greyshirt and will be there in January. I just know he's huge. Maybe we've lost some depth guys to transfer or just giving up football. Our guys just don't seem to move all that well and don't get much push. We could use an infusion of big dudes who are either very strong at the point of attack or can move and create space for backs, and passing lanes for the QBs. How many yards would Steele have if they did generate push up front? Our run game is also limited in play selection-- all between the tackles. no sweeps with a guard pulling. No cut back lanes. Very few pitch plays. In other words, extremely vanilla and very much IN the box. (literally and figuratively) Steele makes a ton of yards after contact, but he also takes a helluva beating. I don't think he can hold up long term. He's already had a couple times this year when he's gotten a little dinged up. There is ZERO change of pace with the backs. If we have a speed/scat back we've not seen him. No home run hitters. Pemberton is pretty much a Steele clone in how he runs. What little I saw of barfield vs. Murry, he's the one with a little bit of wiggle. Not a lot, but more than the other guys. But, if he can't power run like Steele and Pemberton he can't get anywhere behind the current line. It would just be nice to see a quicker back from time to time to see if one could run around the end, or, accelerate through whatever hole might be there and go into high gear and outrun people.
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Post by chirprising on Oct 28, 2022 3:50:43 GMT -6
Steele averages 4.6 yards a carry and Pemberton is at 4.1 with limited carries…most college offenses would love to have that problem…neither of them go backwards which is exactly what would happen with a smaller scat back running behind an O line that doesn’t get any push…he’d need to be Barry Sanders to overcome some of the O line deficiencies…smaller backs aren’t going to change the picture much in that situation….look no further than what’s happened to Lew Nichols from Central Michigan this year…all world last year but doesn’t have the same O line this year and his stats are bearing it out…I do agree that Steele takes a beating because the staff is handing him the ball 30+ times a game…he is tied for the lead in the nation for the most carries…
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Post by cardfan on Oct 28, 2022 5:47:11 GMT -6
Nichols might have gotten hurt in our game. I haven't seem him show up in the boxscore since.
I wouldn't have a scatback/speed back run up the gut, but, sadly Lynch would. It's what we did with Donny Marcus, which was a total waste. That kid played so well in our bowl win and then we buried him and couldn't seem to find a role for him. I would have a quicker kid out there to run sweeps and cut backs and get same catches in the open field. And I'm only thinking maybe 10 carries a game in our offense. Just for a different look and to spread out the defense a little. What we do is designed to have Steele bang away out there. In lieu of not using a quicker back for a change of pace to run against a worn out defense I'd at least give Pemberton 5 more carries a game. Keep Steele fresher plus Pemberton is a dude--he's gonna be good. Give him some more shots out there.
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Oct 28, 2022 8:16:06 GMT -6
Post by chirprising on Oct 28, 2022 8:16:06 GMT -6
Didn’t know that about Nichols…don’t disagree with your points…I thought Donny or Barfield would fill that scatback need but not how they are being utilized…. also think we are going to start seeing a lot more screens to get Steele and Pemberton in space….
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 28, 2022 8:41:29 GMT -6
Didn’t know that about Nichols…don’t disagree with your points…I thought Donny or Barfield would fill that scatback need but not how they are being utilized…. also think we are going to start seeing a lot more screens to get Steele and Pemberton in space…. Maybe that would work on the few downs that opponents really rush the pass. That screen idea works better if they have to rush with LBs and over commit. Opponents seem to get plenty of pressure without that over commitment. Paddock isn't looking much to break out of the pocket.
My less than expert observation is that their LBs read immediate run up the middle or pass in the flat on most plays. Either choice seems to leave them available to recover and make a play on the screen pass, they are not teeing off on the pocket passer that much.
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