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Post by 00hmh on Mar 7, 2024 11:47:56 GMT -6
I think Jihad won't make Sparks' mistake because he's not a Big 10 player. Look at his turnovers. I can see a transfer to Akron, Toledo, Duquesne, Missouri Valler, or A10. He says he ants a NBA career and that not at BSU. If Jihad is not a Big 10 caliber player he certainly is not an NBA player either. Just what makes his potential to play in the NBA better by playing in another mid major conference? Exposure... Now the one plus I see for him leaving is that if he goes somewhere where he isn't playing out of position (the kid is not a post player) he may shine brighter, but he won't be "the guy". He plays better when Hendriks is in the post and he doesn't have to be. Our big man depth hasn't allowed that except for limited minutes. Maybe next year that will change. We can only hope. There aren't many players now who are played as post players. BB is just not inside out any more.
Jihad's statistics with high number of 3PFGA, and turnovers as he plays outside, says he is not playing here a post player. Players from guards to centers now flash into the post or get entry passes after P&R action or screening gives them a mismatch. You can have sets where they start in the post, but that's also mostly when we have a match up we are trying to exploit. That is just BB.
We are mostly 5 out, and everybody handling the ball, and a good place for Jihad.
Hendriks and Jihad can play together but Jihad has to improve his defense. Both are limited there. Big Ben mostly has to be screener and go after the boards, and has to guard the post and stay closer to the basket. He's not really a rim protector, just the best we have...OK for the MAC.
If a higher level team wants a starter at 4 and has a rim protector, Jihad can play at that school. I'd be surprised too if he had anything like the chance to be the guy. Whether that new role somehow helps his pro chances or not, it will help his bank account...
I'm surprised at players like Cochren and a few others who have moved to MAC schools. It seems to be a good move for them when they get to "play their game" more, and probably they "get a raise" but I haven't seen it mean much in terms of their pro prospects.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 7, 2024 11:49:16 GMT -6
Unfortunately kids that age are going to look at the money first. They just want to get paid. If they don't play, well, they got paid. Given the limited time and limited prospects that they can make money in the pros that is a pretty good strategy. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 7, 2024 11:51:24 GMT -6
Jihad will leave for money.He like most college basketball players think they are better than they are. He won't be back at BSU. I don't see a B10 school wanting him but if Coleman & Sparks got over $50,000 he is worth as much. Toledo might give him some money but it won't be huge. An A10 school or maybe a DePaul will give him enough money. I don't think any college players will learn from former teammates experiences because they all think their better. They do learn. Take the money and run...they get a lottery ticket to do better, but that's what they have at any mid major level where they bet they really break out as seniors. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 7, 2024 12:46:05 GMT -6
its really no different than us switching jobs. Except they for the most part have no roots holding them down.. If Im 18-24 doing a job I love and I have opportunities to make more each year Why not.. Im seeing more, living more expierincing more all while making more money...
Sucks for us but your an idiot if you dont do it
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 7, 2024 13:09:36 GMT -6
its really no different than us switching jobs. Except they for the most part have no roots holding them down.. If Im 18-24 doing a job I love and I have opportunities to make more each year Why not.. Im seeing more, living more expierincing more all while making more money... Sucks for us but your an idiot if you dont do it You have it right about the only difference about switching jobs. They have no ties. Also, they have a very short time line for their current gig.
In the real world that happens too when we have a short term gig, say planning to work for a year or so, maybe for a spouse to finish a degree or to look for a better job which has benefits for our family, or we need to stay around for a family related reason, or we are retired and bored and want to work, we have no particular loyalty keeping us at that job.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 7, 2024 13:10:58 GMT -6
When somebody receives something for free, or if they have some way to get their hands on other people's money, it's usually not very long at all before they regard it as their absolute, unquestioned birthright to ALWAYS get it forever and ever.
You see this with govt programs all the time. We are seeing the same thing with college sports fans now.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 7, 2024 14:00:15 GMT -6
Jones is always around the ball, Sherm. He moves well. Once he gets more confident and aggressive on offense he's going to start getting putbacks rather than just clearing the ball back out. He's going to get to the foul line because of that. Bottom line, watching him I truly think he can do some things on offense once he gets better feel for it at the college level. He mostly doesn't score now because, well, he just doesn't try to, not because he's totally inept. He takes like 4 shots a game right now. He didn't average 20 a game in high school by accident. He'll figure it out. It's just a matter of confidence and assertiveness. Of course players increase their scoring as they move up in class, but you can usually tell who is going to become an effective scorer as freshman. You can visualize how they will do it based on their freshman record. One clue is their shooting percentage. Freshman who dont score a ton but have a high shooting % have the capacity to expand their shot selection while still remaining efficient. Mason's shooting % is poor. One could argue he is taking too many shots already, rather than taking too few. I think he actually is pretty inept as a scorer, to be honest. His somewhat-below-average free throw shooting does not indicate good general shooting ability. Put backs are not a good basis for an offensive contribution. They are just too few in number. An elite offensive rebounder might get 4 per game. Jones is currently getting about 2. I think Dennis Rodman is the only player I remember who ever based a respectable offensive game mostly on put backs. Maybe Jones should adopt a rainbow hair style? I just dont see it. If he develops some sort of reliable offense from his current state, it will be an anomalous and unlikely occurrence. These sometimes happen, but they are not what it is reasonable to expect. |
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 7, 2024 14:27:39 GMT -6
I see Jihad a little different than most as far as his destination is concerned. I think he will get a B10 or other P4 offer because he has good stats (sans the turnovers), lots of good film, he's big and physical and he can shoot the three which is coveted in guys who are 6-9 or bigger. I don't think he'll be recruited as a starter but as an insurance policy or bench/rotation guy. I would also see him moving semi-laterally to a mid-major who is a perennial contender/qualifier for the Dance and has a strong roster returning or committed. That's his best shot for a starting job or extended PT. I doubt he will go to a MAC school simply for financial reasons and he's seen the competition which is not exactly stellar.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 7, 2024 14:37:53 GMT -6
Jones is always around the ball, Sherm. He moves well. Once he gets more confident and aggressive on offense he's going to start getting putbacks rather than just clearing the ball back out. He's going to get to the foul line because of that. Bottom line, watching him I truly think he can do some things on offense once he gets better feel for it at the college level. He mostly doesn't score now because, well, he just doesn't try to, not because he's totally inept. He takes like 4 shots a game right now. He didn't average 20 a game in high school by accident. He'll figure it out. It's just a matter of confidence and assertiveness. Of course players increase their scoring as they move up in class, but you can usually tell who is going to become an effective scorer as freshman. You can visualize how they will do it based on their freshman record. One clue is their shooting percentage. Freshman who dont score a ton but have a high shooting % have the capacity to expand their shot selection while still remaining efficient. Mason's shooting % is poor. One could argue he is taking too many shots already, rather than taking too few. I think he actually is pretty inept as a scorer, to be honest. His somewhat-below-average free throw shooting does not indicate good general shooting ability. Put backs are not a good basis for an offensive contribution. They are just too few in number. An elite offensive rebounder might get 4 per game. Jones is currently getting about 2. I think Dennis Rodman is the only player I remember who ever based a respectable offensive game mostly on put backs. Maybe Jones should adopt a rainbow hair style? I just dont see it. If he develops some sort of reliable offense from his current state, it will be an anomalous and unlikely occurrence. These sometimes happen, but they are not what it is reasonable to expect. Well, Sherm you clearly are not a historian of Ball State big men. Your theory is holier than swiss cheese, pal. Have you forgotten the long line of Cardinals in the paint who started slow and ended up as elite scorers? Guys like Brian Burns, Dave Broz, Ryan Reed, Tom Howland, Kevin Cates, Mading Thok and...need I continue? These guys blossomed into 6 point per game scorers by the time they graduated. Well, not all of them but that's beside the point. Since when is past performance an indicator of future success? |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 7, 2024 14:45:28 GMT -6
Mason Jones as a senior in HS with 115 FTA hit 84% of them.
Probably a better measure of his FT shooting.
He averaged over several years about 20 pts a game, mostly inside 20 ft. He was recruited as a good athlete and good defender, a versatile player who played all over the court.
Oddly to Sherman's view, his college coach has him playing that way, not as a scorer or outside shooter, he's starting with 4 players who are better shooters and scorers.
cardfan is predicting he can score on the boards and improve outside much as has Pearson who has developed an outside game he did not have in HS.
If we have 4 good scorers on the floor and he's talented at moving the ball, setting them up and going after the boards, I'm happy whatever he scores, but 10 points is certainly not a wild idea.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 7, 2024 15:33:36 GMT -6
Of course players increase their scoring as they move up in class, but you can usually tell who is going to become an effective scorer as freshman. You can visualize how they will do it based on their freshman record. One clue is their shooting percentage. Freshman who dont score a ton but have a high shooting % have the capacity to expand their shot selection while still remaining efficient. Mason's shooting % is poor. One could argue he is taking too many shots already, rather than taking too few. I think he actually is pretty inept as a scorer, to be honest. His somewhat-below-average free throw shooting does not indicate good general shooting ability. Put backs are not a good basis for an offensive contribution. They are just too few in number. An elite offensive rebounder might get 4 per game. Jones is currently getting about 2. I think Dennis Rodman is the only player I remember who ever based a respectable offensive game mostly on put backs. Maybe Jones should adopt a rainbow hair style? I just dont see it. If he develops some sort of reliable offense from his current state, it will be an anomalous and unlikely occurrence. These sometimes happen, but they are not what it is reasonable to expect. Well, Sherm you clearly are not a historian of Ball State big men. Your theory is holier than swiss cheese, pal. Have you forgotten the long line of Cardinals in the paint who started slow and ended up as elite scorers? Guys like Brian Burns, Dave Broz, Ryan Reed, Tom Howland, Kevin Cates, Mading Thok and...need I continue? These guys blossomed into 6 point per game scorers by the time they graduated. Well, not all of them but that's beside the point. Since when is past performance an indicator of future success? Well those guys scored 15 points a game. I mean if you add their scoring averages together. Or at least if you add their career high games together. 10 ppg is not a wild idea for Jones. Unlikely, in my estimation, but not wild. 15ppg is wild. 8ppg would be nice. 6 or 7ppg might be what to expect. Scoring 20ppg in HS is no guarantee of anything. You can't walk around in Indiana without tripping over an old 20ppg scorer from HS days. There are various ways to score 20ppg in HS that have absolutely no carryover to D1. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 7, 2024 15:40:54 GMT -6
Well, Sherm you clearly are not a historian of Ball State big men. Your theory is holier than swiss cheese, pal. Have you forgotten the long line of Cardinals in the paint who started slow and ended up as elite scorers? Guys like Brian Burns, Dave Broz, Ryan Reed, Tom Howland, Kevin Cates, Mading Thok and...need I continue? These guys blossomed into 6 point per game scorers by the time they graduated. Well, not all of them but that's beside the point. Since when is past performance an indicator of future success? RC, how could you forget "The Alligator". |
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 7, 2024 15:56:07 GMT -6
Well, Sherm you clearly are not a historian of Ball State big men. Your theory is holier than swiss cheese, pal. Have you forgotten the long line of Cardinals in the paint who started slow and ended up as elite scorers? Guys like Brian Burns, Dave Broz, Ryan Reed, Tom Howland, Kevin Cates, Mading Thok and...need I continue? These guys blossomed into 6 point per game scorers by the time they graduated. Well, not all of them but that's beside the point. Since when is past performance an indicator of future success? RC, how could you forget "The Alligator". Ah yes, the ManBun gator! I do have higher hopes for Jones. He is a freaking hustler. I agree though, if he blossoms into 8-10 points and defends like a crazed badger we will be happy. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 7, 2024 16:11:40 GMT -6
The Alligator could not only score the ball. He could puncture it and rip it to shreds.  |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 7, 2024 16:35:40 GMT -6
Kid never got a chance...coach kept looking at his first year stats.
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