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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 26, 2024 16:18:36 GMT -6
We are not dropping football... Nor are we dropping a level. We are on the cusp of paying a coach more than anyone of us ever thought possible
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Post by frozenbaugh on Nov 26, 2024 16:20:53 GMT -6
No we aren’t. Maybe someday. The only way is if the MAC drops it. Ball State isn’t leaving the MAC so here we are just throwing poop at the wall hoping it sticks.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 26, 2024 16:28:22 GMT -6
We are not dropping football... Nor are we dropping a level. We are on the cusp of paying a coach more than anyone of us ever thought possible Another chapter. For now.
And other athletic programs will be hurt to accomplish that. The new coach always gets a year or so of priority treatment.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 26, 2024 16:28:37 GMT -6
No, I know we’re not. So if we’re gonna do it we should aim a lot higher than we have been.
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Post by chirpchirpnation on Nov 26, 2024 17:34:06 GMT -6
We are not dropping football... Nor are we dropping a level. We are on the cusp of paying a coach more than anyone of us ever thought possible What kind of scratch are we talking? Can we play over/under and you give us some hints? |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 26, 2024 18:20:55 GMT -6
We are not dropping football... Nor are we dropping a level. We are on the cusp of paying a coach more than anyone of us ever thought possible What kind of scratch are we talking? Can we play over/under and you give us some hints? If rumors are true it will be alot for us how much I dont know but the rumored extra money per year is we will be receiving an extra million per year for football from Daddy |
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 26, 2024 21:14:31 GMT -6
So if we cut football, where are we going to go if the MAC itself continues in FBS? Who’s to say any conference would want Ball State? You can’t assume the MVC has interest. Ball State basketball is no longer Ball State basketball. The American is a hodgepodge of teams with travel to UTSA and Tulsa. There is the Summit where we can battle the Kansas City Roos and St. Thomas-Minnesota Tommies. Conference USA is a possibility with Kennesaw State and the Sam Houston Bearkats. The only real logical fit is the Horizon with IUPUI (Ooey Pooey) and the Fort Wayne Mastadons. I’d have no problem with that although I’d rather play the Miami RedHawks than the Robert Morris Colonials. Whether it’s sooner or later the only way this will happen is if the MAC as a whole decides to dump it. I haven’t heard rumblings that they are so I am going to enjoy a bad Ball State football program for a few more years. Personally, I’d rather watch football anyway. The basketball program is not good and has been for a while. (I realize this is 100% due to football and not bad coaching hires) We're not the only MAC school that will eventually drop football or greatly scale back. |
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 26, 2024 21:15:14 GMT -6
We are not dropping football... Nor are we dropping a level. We are on the cusp of paying a coach more than anyone of us ever thought possible I've actually heard we are throwing some shocking money at the program thanks to a 7-figure annual donation. It will be interesting to see what actually happens. |
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Post by chirprising on Nov 26, 2024 21:48:19 GMT -6
What kind of scratch are we talking? Can we play over/under and you give us some hints? If rumors are true it will be alot for us how much I dont know but the rumored extra money per year is we will be receiving an extra million per year for football from Daddy That’s Uncle Daddy money! |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 26, 2024 22:01:32 GMT -6
We are not dropping football... Nor are we dropping a level. We are on the cusp of paying a coach more than anyone of us ever thought possible I've actually heard we are throwing some shocking money at the program thanks to a 7-figure annual donation. It will be interesting to see what actually happens. Well if you have heard it and I have heard and we have not talked then you gotta believe where there is smoke there is fire |
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Post by jdawgbsu on Nov 27, 2024 0:11:48 GMT -6
It’s been heard that we shouldn’t be surprised by up to $700K for the new HC - plus another chunk for coordinators.
What does that “buy” these days? Maybe a little hope…
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Post by cardfan on Nov 27, 2024 8:58:05 GMT -6
It’s been heard that we shouldn’t be surprised by up to $700K for the new HC - plus another chunk for coordinators. What does that “buy” these days? Maybe a little hope… We could use a little hope. A little sunshine. Something to make feel like BSU football can be good again. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 27, 2024 9:40:47 GMT -6
It's funny how in these discussions everyone ignores the one superpower that has kept MAC football afloat for years - the ability to reach into the students' pockets and take out $10 million+ dollars per year to cover the losses. (By the way - what ever money some sugar daddy might come forward with will never be near enough to cover all the programs losses and will be dwarfed by what the students have to pay)
People make statements like "MAC football is not viable at the FBS level" or "MAC football will no longer be viable if such and such happens". Well, I'll tell you what - when you can lose more than $10 million a year and have it covered by someone else YOU WILL ALWAYS BE VIABLE.
It does seem like the power schools are headed down a path where the MAC won't be welcome. The power schools may formally separate themselves into a higher classification. They may kick the MAC out of the playoff system entirely (which may have symbolic meaning but makes no practical difference). They may establish some sort of system to pay players that puts the MAC even further behind competitively. I have heard they may begin to play games only among themselves. I can't see this happening as they seem to find value in what amounts to home exhibition games against lesser programs.
But whether all or none of this happens, I think MAC football will end up looking more or less like it currently does and will keep spending and losing pretty much the same level of money each year. Why? Because people who have the ability to take $10 million+ of other people's money NEVER fail to take advantage of that ability. EVER. It's just not in human nature.
So as you all make predictions, be sure you account for the 8-figure sum that students have to pay for football, and don't tell us it's going to disappear, rather tell us how BSU football will spend it in the future.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 27, 2024 11:17:57 GMT -6
It's funny how in these discussions everyone ignores the one superpower that has kept MAC football afloat for years - the ability to reach into the students' pockets and take out $10 million+ dollars per year to cover the losses. (By the way - what ever money some sugar daddy might come forward with will never be near enough to cover all the programs losses and will be dwarfed by what the students have to pay) Sherm, I think you're wrong that the superpower is enough, at least longer term. Inflation of costs is outstripping the increases in fees and has been for some time. The new era of NIL and revenue sharing guarantee that.
That 10 mil, even with some years of million dollar giving by a donor, will not be enough longer term. It will delay. Fans can enjoy it short term, the issue is how short is short term.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 27, 2024 11:26:08 GMT -6
It’s been heard that we shouldn’t be surprised by up to $700K for the new HC - plus another chunk for coordinators. What does that “buy” these days? Maybe a little hope… We could use a little hope. A little sunshine. Something to make feel like BSU football can be good again. I'd assume we can be better than recent experience. We can move above the middle of the worst conference in FBS! Whether that is "good" enough to count as anything, and whether, however "good," it is sustainable is the question, even if a million extra a year can be extended into the future indefinitely.
I'd rather the million be available for other programs which are longer term sustainable.
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